Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

[Blender]

Doing draft redrafts is clickbait for the uninformed. About the lowest form of "journalism" that means nothing.

 

[Hisch13r]

Quick! Avert your eyes. The team site cited Bader as an expert

 

[Blender]

Quick! Avert your eyes. The team site cited Bader as an expert

The analytics models all love him it seems, and you can see why. Obviously has some flaws in roaming out of position and in his defending, but he's an absurd skater that drives play better than anyone.

 

[Classic Devil]

1) Elias Pettersson (#5)
2) Cale Makar (#4)
3) Miro Heiskanen (#3)
4) Nico Hischier (#1)
5) Nick Suzuki (#13)
6) Martin Necas (#12)
7) Robert Thomas (#20)
8) Gabriel Vilardi (#11) [Wheeler admits he’s probably too high on Vilardi lol but he had all sorts of injury troubles.]
9) Cody Glass (#6)
10) Nolan Patrick (#2)
11) Drake Batherson (#121)
12) Erik Brännström (#15)
13) Kailer Yamamoto (#22)
14) Filip Chytil (#21)
15) Nic Hague (#34)
16)Juuso Välumäki (#16)
17) Owen Tippett (#10)
18) Emil Bemström (#117)
19) Alexandre Texier (#45)
20) Morgan Frost (#27)
21) Josh Norris (#19)
22) Henri Jokiharju (#29)
23) Casey Mittelstadt (#8)
24) Conor Timmins (#32)
25) Timothy Liljegren (#17)
26) Jason Robertson (#39)
27) Lucas Elvenes (#127)
28) Jack Dugan (#142)
29) Maxime Comptois (#50)
30) Michael Rasmussen (#9)
31) David Farrance (#92)

Pettersson over Makar? Uhhhh...

I still think Hischier has a better career than Pettersson when all is said and done.

 

[Hisch13r]

Pettersson over Makar? Uhhhh...

I still think Hischier has a better career than Pettersson when all is said and done.

Look at the date. It was after 19-20. Dumb to do a redraft after 3 years but EP made total sense over Makar then. I’m not convinced Nico will be better. Maybe it just comes down to opportunity but I think Pettersson hovers around a top 5-15 center his career while Nico more 10-20

 

[Devils Army]

I put Jason Robertson and Cale above Nico at the moment. But i still take Nico over Miro and Elias.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Yeah that's a little scary...makes me wonder how much intel Seattle actually did on him since they probably weren't expecting to pick him. You also wonder if the whispers about him bombing his interview go public if he didn't stare down the Habs table.

Honestly, the distance between Slafkovsky and Wright as players was negligible. But everything I'm hearing right now is that Slafkovsky is an outstanding kid, and Wright is not held in this regard. I think this is the reason Slaf went #1 and Wright fell. Teams have to be wary of drafting a franchise centerpiece who feels he's earned it before he's even donned the jersey.

I have absolutely no doubt Slafkovsky will be a star in the NHL. With Wright, it looks like this is still possible, but there are certainly questions regarding his general demeanor and ability to handle adversity.

 

[StevenToddIves]

With PK gonzo,Nemec is the guy in a year or two. Hamilton probably is not what Jersey thought he would be. Severson is pretty good and Reilly Walsh will be knocking on the door as will L Hughes and Mukhamadullin, Okhotyuk and Bahl soon to very soon

Hamilton's play seriously dipped after injury last year, but we can fully expect a bounce-back with a healthy 2022-23. Severson is a good 2-RD, but the Devils will have to find a 3-RD for the 2022-23 season, probably through free agency. I've been touting Ilya Lyubushkin as an excellent option.

I think if there were one Devil to take the 2022 draft to the chin, it was clearly Reilly Walsh. He's no longer a top-5 RD in the team prospect pool and I can't see his future in NJ.

The Devils LD depth is just insane on an organizational level. Jonas Siegenthaler is definitely sticking around, and the prospects here are just insanely talented: Luke Hughes, Okhotyuk, Mukhamadullin, Bahl. Throw in Ty Smith, and I think we can safely assume some of these guys are going to have to be dealt away because there's just not enough room on the roster.

 

[severian]

Tell me Simon Nemec is going to be better than Lubomir Visnovsky. Lie to me if you have to, but just tell me what I need to hear.

 

[Devs3cups]

Tell me Simon Nemec is going to be better than Lubomir Visnovsky. Lie to me if you have to, but just tell me what I need to hear.

It was simply stating he beat his record. Simon Nemec is a great defensive prospect, on of the best in the league really, and I see him as a legitimate 2-way, 50-60 pts D-man. I wouldn't worry about it haha.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Tell me Simon Nemec is going to be better than Lubomir Visnovsky. Lie to me if you have to, but just tell me what I need to hear.

Look at this player card for old ass Lubomir Visnovsky lol

 

[Clam Jensen]

Look at this player card for old ass Lubomir Visnovsky lol

I ALWAYS get Visnovsky and Vishnevski confused.

 

[MauDevils]

Watching his first step when carrying the puck out of his own zone is crazy. He has some explosive acceleration.

 

[Blender]

Look at this player card for old ass Lubomir Visnovsky lol

The ceiling for Nemec is definitely higher of course, but Visnovksy was a good defender who likely would have been higher rated in the analytics era.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

If however Wright's lack of compete and possible personality issues turn out to be a real thing, this might look like Seattle didn't do their homework and was forced to pick Wright.

So the stuff about compete issues and attitude issues are speculation kind of, but let's say it's true. How many players with these kinds of issues actually turn into a star? I feel like veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy few if any. I can't really remember the last time it's happened. I don't mean super confident or cocky players, I mean players who have self-entitlement issues.

Ryan Merkley was extremely talented but also supposedly had these attitude issues. Nail Yakupov was extremely talented but had attitude issues.

 

[Hisch13r]

So the stuff about compete issues and attitude issues are speculation kind of, but let's say it's true. How many players with these kinds of issues actually turn into a star? I feel like veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy few if any. I can't really remember the last time it's happened. I don't mean super confident or cocky players, I mean players who have self-entitlement issues.

Ryan Merkley was extremely talented but also supposedly had these attitude issues. Nail Yakupov was extremely talented but had attitude issues.

I think the Yak stuff is overblown. Sure Burke said the interview was bad but most of the stuff I remember hearing out of Edmonton was that he was actually a good guy and the attitude stuff wasn't true. The reason I don't think he succeeded is that he had the brain of a peanut and couldn't think the game well enough.

Deangelo's not a "star" because he can't play defense but he's worked out out pretty well (on the ice at least)

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Look at the date. It was after 19-20. Dumb to do a redraft after 3 years but EP made total sense over Makar then. I’m not convinced Nico will be better. Maybe it just comes down to opportunity but I think Pettersson hovers around a top 5-15 center his career while Nico more 10-20

Pettersson will definitely be the more skilled like Patrick Kane. But Nico will be the better all around player, and more important player, like Jonathan Toews. I'm pretty damn confident they don't win the cup with only Kane and no Toews. Just like I don't think Canucks will with anything with Pettersson "leading the way".

Every time I've watched Petterson I really was not impressed. Just seemed like a passenger, albeit a very skilled passenger.

 

[Hisch13r]

The ceiling for Nemec is definitely higher of course, but Visnovksy was a good defender who likely would have been higher rated in the analytics era.

Visnovsky had 68 pts at his peak in 10-11 with what I imagine was a great analytical season. I really don't know if the ceiling is higher. The ceiling is probably comparable.

Pettersson will definitely be the more skilled like Patrick Kane. But Nico will be the better all around player, and more important player, like Jonathan Toews. I'm pretty damn confident they don't win the cup with only Kane and no Toews. Just like I don't think Canucks will with anything with Pettersson "leading the way".

Every time I've watched Petterson I really was not impressed. Just seemed like a passenger, albeit a very skilled passenger.

I think people really underestimate just how good Pettersson is. He's not even bad defensively like people act like he is. You say they don't win with only Kane but they also definitely don't win with only Toews.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I think the Yak stuff is overblown. Sure Burke said the interview was bad but most of the stuff I remember hearing out of Edmonton was that he was actually a good guy and the attitude stuff wasn't true. The reason I don't think he succeeded is that he had the brain of a peanut and couldn't think the game well enough.

Deangelo's not a "star" because he can't play defense but he's worked out out pretty well (on the ice at least)

yea I mean, everything is speculation obviously.

I think people really underestimate just how good Pettersson is. He's not even bad defensively like people act like he is. You say they don't win with only Kane but they also definitely don't win with only Toews.

No I'm not underestimating him. I feel the same way about Kucherov. He's a very skilled player who you would never say no to. But if he was the go to guy? Lightning would win nothing.

Luckily for us, we got our star with Jack so I'm quite happy with having the guy who can be that important player and leader for our team in the future.

 

[NJDevs26]

So the stuff about compete issues and attitude issues are speculation kind of, but let's say it's true. How many players with these kinds of issues actually turn into a star? I feel like veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy few if any. I can't really remember the last time it's happened. I don't mean super confident or cocky players, I mean players who have self-entitlement issues.

Ryan Merkley was extremely talented but also supposedly had these attitude issues. Nail Yakupov was extremely talented but had attitude issues.

Subban?

He only has that kind of ego if you listen to the old fart media though imo, plus nobody ever questioned his compete level. Nieds was another one who people thought was jaking it because he was so blasé and looked like he was coasting but it really wasn’t the case.

 

[ninetyeight]

So the stuff about compete issues and attitude issues are speculation kind of, but let's say it's true. How many players with these kinds of issues actually turn into a star? I feel like veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy few if any. I can't really remember the last time it's happened. I don't mean super confident or cocky players, I mean players who have self-entitlement issues.

The low effort - lack of compete is the most worrisome quality in any athlete. And I guess entitlement ties into that if you expect things to happen without putting in the work. Very common trait on anyone who is ahead of their peers in any activity. When you're chasing you constantly just want to get better, but when you're ahead you easily get complacent and stop working.

The fact that Shane Wright in his draft year playoffs was reported as a low effort floater was very troubling. Sometimes people just are what they are and it can be very hard to get rid of certain negative traits and attitude problems, but Wright slipping to fourth is probably a great thing for his development.

 

[goonybird]

Visnovsky was a very good defenceman.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Outstanding play

 

[Devs3cups]

Outstanding play

So much poise and vision for a teenager playing in a men’s league.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Hamilton's play seriously dipped after injury last year, but we can fully expect a bounce-back with a healthy 2022-23. Severson is a good 2-RD, but the Devils will have to find a 3-RD for the 2022-23 season, probably through free agency. I've been touting Ilya Lyubushkin as an excellent option.

I think if there were one Devil to take the 2022 draft to the chin, it was clearly Reilly Walsh. He's no longer a top-5 RD in the team prospect pool and I can't see his future in NJ.

The Devils LD depth is just insane on an organizational level. Jonas Siegenthaler is definitely sticking around, and the prospects here are just insanely talented: Luke Hughes, Okhotyuk, Mukhamadullin, Bahl. Throw in Ty Smith, and I think we can safely assume some of these guys are going to have to be dealt away because there's just not enough room on the roster.

I’m not opposed to signing Ilya to play 3rd but I have a feeling they will give nemec a shot there or resign PK