Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

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Devils731

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I like the amount of no look passes I see from Nemec that end up right on the teammates tape or in their one-timer wheelhouse. Shows really good awareness of the ice and how the play is developing even where he isn’t looking.

I’ve never posted a ranking or rated a prospect. You don’t need to be a prospect watcher to want your GM to pick the best player available, and when there’s a CONSENSUS among NHL scouts that one player is better than another, to want your GM to take that player.
Why even have a scouting department if I can just look at a list and draft based off of that?

Why did the slam dunk #1/2 guy fall to 4? Obviously it’s because he wasn’t so slam dunk.

Edit: stupid auto-merge, these posts are completely unconnected to each other.
 

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I’ve never posted a ranking or rated a prospect. You don’t need to be a prospect watcher to want your GM to pick the best player available, and when there’s a CONSENSUS among NHL scouts that one player is better than another, to want your GM to take that player.
That’s dumb. That’s exactly what got Flyers Patrick instead of Makar.
I would much rather our guys take the guy they like more than the consensus guy.
And there was lots of scouts that had Nemec in the top 2
 

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That’s dumb. That’s exactly what got Flyers Patrick instead of Makar.
I would much rather our guys take the guy they like more than the consensus guy.
And there was lots of scouts that had Nemec in the top 2
Came here to post this. Philly scouts wanted Makar apprently, but rhey went Patrick because of ranking.
 

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In case anyone missed it, here's my Nemec write-up. It may interest you that he was born the same day (February 15) as Jaromir Jagr and myself, only a scant 32 years later.

RD Simon Nemec, HK Nitra Slovakia (STI Ranking #4, McKenzie #4)
Let's cut to the chase and say off the bat this is a player the New Jersey Devils absolutely must be tracking closely. With defensemen early in the draft, there is always some risk -- as defensemen take longer than forwards to develop and there is usually more projection necessary as a result among a team's scouting staff. Nemec kind of transcends this -- I feel there's virtually no risk he won't be at least a good NHL defenseman, and there's a great deal of reasons to be optimistic Nemec will be an all-situations, two-way stud NHL RD for many years down the line.

Nemec's tool kit is best described as ideal. He's got ideal size at 6'1-190, and he is an excellent skater who is fast and agile without being quite elite in terms of speed or edges. He gets where he wants to go quickly and is rarely outskated, especially when combined with his anticipation and awareness, both of which are excellent. Nemec's intangibles shine across the board -- he's extremely smart and competitive and knows what to do on the ice in any situation -- he's always aware of not just what is going on the ice, but also the context of the game, which is impressive for a player his age. Down a goal late? Nemec is slinging stretch passes and pinching in everywhere in the offensive zone. Up one goal late? Nemec is hanging back and playing conservatively trying his best to protect that lead. There's little doubt he's a smart kid.

Nemec's most elite tool in my opinion is his passing and vision. This kid will be an absolute beast in transition. The moment he collects the puck anywhere in the defensive zone, he already knows what to do with it. He's one of the better transitional passers I've seen in the past decade, often flinging highlight reel passes up ice to forwards which stun the opposition and often have them playing on their heels for the rest of the game whenever he's on the ice. Nemec is also very good at playmaking in the offensive zone and on the PP.

This brings us to the most viable aspect of Nemec's future success. He's potentially the player who you put out to protect a late lead or come back from a late deficit, a player who will be on the first unit for both your PP and PK. He's just so steady defensively. He's not what I'd call a player who relies on physicality, but he's willing to play physically and is very strong, especially considering he's one of the youngest defensemen in the Slovakian men's league. He's very adept at using shoulder checks and box outs to separate opposing puck carriers from the puck, and then he's very quick to transition those pucks. Positionally, I'd say he's not quite perfect but he's very good and, as I've mentioned, Nemec displays very good on-ice awareness. Quite simply, he's a very good defender -- I'd go so far to say this aspect of his game is further along than his offense right now, and has the potential to one day be pretty elite.

When combined with his scoring upside -- and Nemec has significant scoring upside -- it's no wonder Nemec is considered the consensus top defender for the 2022 draft. However, it's important not to confuse Nemec with Cale Makar or John Carlson -- I wouldn't say he'll be a 60-70 point guy in his NHL career. Nemec's shot is okay, but not a cannon blast like David Jiricek. Sometimes Nemec has trouble getting the puck to the net from the point, and that's something he'll have to work on. He seems to have a great deal of shot attempts blocked away. Although he's very adept at rushing in from the point if given a window, his hands are also "good but not elite", and the fact that defenders fear his passing more than his shot allow them to ease back on defending him a bit which limits this ability.

Ultimately, I'd say Nemec's potential is as a shut-down, all-situations NHL defender with 50+ point ability. This is an extremely tempting player which every single NHL team would rightly covet. As far as his ceiling goes, it's hard to say. This is not a player with many aspects we would define as "flaws", but if he can improve his skating to a near-elite level and get smoother with his shooting and puckhandling... well, he could one day make my projection look extremely conservative. What I really love about him is that his floor is unnaturally high for a draft-eligible defender. There's virtually no risk here. I would be willing to bet the farm Simon Nemec will, at the very least, be an extremely effective two-way, all-situations defender at the NHL level. It's rare to make such a statement with such confidence, but Nemec is just that impressive thus far into his amateur career.
 

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Came here to post this. Philly scouts wanted Makar apprently, but rhey went Patrick because of ranking.
The reporting started off a few years ago as saying they wanted a DMan and became Makar last year during his Norris season. TBF there is a post by a site in Philly that gets some things right prior to the 2017 draft saying the Flyers were worried about Patricks injury history
 

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Scott Wheelers take on the pick.

"Once Slafkovsky went No. 1, the draft truly was live in a way that it hasn’t been in my nine years covering it. My feelings on Nemec are no secret. I think he’s an A-level prospect and his selection makes a lot of sense for the Devils, even after they took Luke Hughes a year ago. They’ve now got enviable depth at two premium positions, with Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier and Dawson Mercer down the middle, and Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec (two very different players) coming on the backend on the left and right side respectively. Nemec is the way the game is trending. Everything happens in front of him and the game comes naturally. He’s a smart, calculating player who is going to drive play, offence, and possession."
 

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Nice writeup Steve. It encapsulates how I think the Devils see this team growing together and the style they want and kind of need to play with the talent they've accumulated. It's a glove fit that enhances back end talent and skill and depth which is so critical too - can't win, if you only have one real solid defensive pairing or one guy on back end able to do something with regards to pushing puck up ice, managing PP. Wright/Slafkovsky would have made the roster better too in their own ways, as would Gauthier to some degree in adding a certain unique forward type, but we can't be upset here.

I think folks have gotten a little too drunk on Wright/Slafkovsky and the fact we won the lotto again for #2. In other years, we'd be falling over ourselves for a player like Nemec. In fact, I'm pretty sure all i heard for years leading up to Larsson's selection how painful it was to watch RHD get drafted by other teams, then once Larsson got dealt, how much it would mean to get a shot at one (especially since Larsson kind of didn't end up being the Lidstrom-esque type).
 

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it’s just funny how so many people bitched that shero never addressed the defense, then 2 years in a row fitz nabs the best defenseman in the draft and you’re still bitching.
I love Nemec as a pick a lot. But this is a stupid post. What's more funny is that people don't realize that different opinions exist in a draft like this.
 

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I wanted Slaf, expected Wright, but was OK with any of the top 5. I trust others know way more than me. Fills an organizational need? Fine. I was of the camp we should have drafted Wright but... just because we maybe could have done something better does not mean Nemec is bad.

I don't want to crap on some player, to justify a pick. But there is a possibilty that something was off with him. I'm reminded of Sean Day.

"Wright was granted exceptional player status for the 2019–20 OHL season, becoming the sixth player to be granted exceptional status. The preceding five players were John Tavares, Aaron Ekblad, Connor McDavid, Sean Day and Joe Veleno"

So yea - Tavares Ekblad and McDavid. But also Sean Day Joe Veleno doesn't look like he's lighting up the world. It happens. And i'm not rooting against the kid - i think he'll be a very good player. Sometimes early success drops off.

But now we have Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec to look forward to. That has to make some happy, no? You didn't get Talenti or Ben & Jerry's... but you still got Haagen-Dazs. So enjoy your ice cream. Maybe you decide you like Haagen Daz better in the future.
 

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But now we have Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec to look forward to.
In a perfect world, 2-3 years from now Nemec is anchoring a pair that is putting positive results together against other teams top lines and Hughes is leading a pair that destroys the lesser lines from opponents.
 
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MartyOwns

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I love Nemec as a pick a lot. But this is a stupid post. What's more funny is that people don't realize that different opinions exist in a draft like this.

what’s stupid about it? how else does one find top pairing defensemen if not the draft? so he drafted another one, at the expense of a 1C which we absolutely didn't need and who other teams also passed on.

different opinions are fine, but fitz is seemingly in a no-win situation with some people here.
 
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If Nemec can be a solid top 4 RHD for NJ for 10+ years it will be a good pick. If he can be more than that it's a great pick. Both seem well within the realm of possible outcomes. I'm pretty excited about this kid being in the organization.
With all due respect, if all you get from a 2OA pick is a solid second pairing defenseman... I don't know if I'd agree it's a "good" pick.
 
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what’s stupid about it? how else does one find top pairing defensemen if not the draft? so he drafted another one, at the expense of a 1C which we absolutely didn't need and who other teams also passed on.

different opinions are fine, but fitz is seemingly in a no-win situation with some people here.
It's not necessarily the position but the player. That's the debate. It's not that complicated. Again, I like Nemec a lot
 
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what’s stupid about it? how else does one find top pairing defensemen if not the draft? so he drafted another one, at the expense of a 1C which we absolutely didn't need and who other teams also passed on.

different opinions are fine, but fitz is seemingly in a no-win situation with some people here.
Not only that but I think the idea of trading back in a wide open draft when the Devils viewed RHD as a top priority makes no sense. I highly doubt #2 for 6 and 12 was ever legitimately in the cards. There doesn’t seem like there was much of a market for #2 unless you really felt that 2 years of Debrincat was a must make type of move. Personally, I don’t.
 
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Pretty funny that after mocking Montreal this fanbase has been incredibly shitty about the pick.

There is a slight difference between complaining on a message board and booing the kid in actuality but tbh I don’t actually blame the Montreal fans, I blame their management who went full cloak and dagger and left the kid out to dry by pulling the rug of expectations out from under the fans in attendance instead of gradually hyping the kid up in the weeks before the draft.
 
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Do you really think Wright would have become be a star playing on our 3rd line with Pavel Zacha and Andreas Johnsson?
I don't know but plenty of very good players play (and carry) with complete bums on their lines.

I'm not saying (and I get a vibe that's how my posts are received) that Wright will become a star and Nemec won't.

If Nemec can be a solid top 4 RHD for NJ for 10+ years it will be a good pick. If he can be more than that it's a great pick. Both seem well within the realm of possible outcomes. I'm pretty excited about this kid being in the organization.
I think that's a low expectation given that he was picked #2. I'd agree if he was picked at #10 or something but at #2 a legitimate top pair d-man is an absolute minimum.
 

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I don't know but plenty of very good players play (and carry) with complete bums on their lines.

I'm not saying (and I get a vibe that's how my posts are received) that Wright will become a star and Nemec won't.


I think that's a low expectation given that he was picked #2. I'd agree if he was picked at #10 or something but at #2 a legitimate top pair d-man is an absolute minimum.
There seems to be a lot of hype that Nemec can be a top pair guy. He’s not going to be Makar but that doesn’t mean he can’t be an elite NHL defenseman.
 

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His puck carrying can't be understated. We just saw Tampa struggle multiple times with the Avs because their d-men simply couldn't carry the puck out of the zone against the Colorado forecheck. It's so, so important.

I think that's a low expectation given that he was picked #2. I'd agree if he was picked at #10 or something but at #2 a legitimate top pair d-man is an absolute minimum.
In fairness, we are talking about a draft where the presumed top 2 guys in Wright and Slaf were considered second line players by NHL people
 

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It's not necessarily the position but the player. That's the debate. It's not that complicated. Again, I like Nemec a lot

my post, which you responded to, was about position. you arbitrarily inserted your debate (about what? i don’t even know or care) where it didn’t belong, which made this needlessly complicated. gold star
 

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I don't know how people think they can differentiate between top pair D and 2nd pair D from an 18 year old - the difference between the two is almost never 'physical' and is in reads and small-area plays. Then there are some guys who figure this stuff out mid-career and jump to the top pairing, like Anton Stralman.
 
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