GDT: New Jersey Devils at Carolina Huricanes Player Effort Edition.

[MadDevil]

Is this a joke?

Devils win the game 1-0 if not for Yak & Severson's blunders.

Yak was bad the whole game. Severson was awful on the shift he was scored on, but overall had a pretty good game I thought.

 

[NJDevs26]

And tonight is the first time in that stretch he's given up less than 3 goals.

Theres no way to sugar coat 16 winless games.

I agree but honestly some of you (not you specifically) can't wait to dump on him. I think I'm hard on him but that's nothing compared to the professional critics here.

 

[glenwo2]

But sometimes it's best to let a player tear it up in the minors. This is my rationale.

It probably should have been what happened to Zacha (or at least another OHL season, as he wasn't AHL eligible during his first season here) and maybe even other goes who are no longer here.

Didn't Reid Boucher tear it up in the minors as well?

You saw he was when he was up with the Big team, right?

 

[NJDevs26]

Watching Butcher force a telegraphed drop pass on one of the PPs made me physically ill

It's about the fourth or fifth time I've seen that in the last couple weeks with someone lying in wait. CHANGE IT UP!!! It's only a matter of time before they cause a SH breakaway against by telegraphing that pass, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Is this a joke?

Devils win the game 1-0 if not for Yak & Severson's blunders.

First 30 seconds yeah. So okay I spot you that. But they were our 2 best D for the best 59.5 minutes.

 

[tailfins]

Why should we keep him and his horrible contract?

Because buying him out will create dead cap space for much longer. Unless you’re going to do something material with the roster spot or the cap space, much better to burn another year off Cory’s contract than buy him out. If a compliance buyout becomes available again, totally different story.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Is this a joke?

Devils win the game 1-0 if not for Yak & Severson's blunders.

And I’ll tell you something else. Going forward they, Mueller and Vats may well be our four most solid defenseman, as far as developing the talent for the future.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Yes Schneider has lost all his games. But, why buy him out? Are the Devils going to use the cap space? Are the Devils going to get a better back up? Unless the answer is yes to either, Schneider will be with the team.

The better question is why not buy him out? The last thing we need is 4 years worth of the same inane garble we endured back in 2013-2014 when the staff still wanted to play a broken down Marty as much as they played him. To Hynes credit he’s rolled Kinker as his starter but still has a tendency to throw Schneids back in after a big blowout loss and wants to play him more often than not in back to backs. This isn’t about cap space for me. If we weren’t gonna use the cap space then it’s even more reason to use it for his buyout. The fact or the matter is that this is a poor tender at this stage of life. He can’t do it anymore.

 

[Triumph]

It's about the fourth or fifth time I've seen that in the last couple weeks with someone lying in wait. CHANGE IT UP!!! It's only a matter of time before they cause a SH breakaway against by telegraphing that pass, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Kind of hard to cause a breakaway when there's 2 players behind him.

 

[tailfins]

Because his contract is WAYYYY too much for what he is now, first of all. Second of all, we don't even know if he will be serviceable at all by the end of it. He might be so bad that he's just really, REALLY BAD, but he might also be healthy enough to not throw on the LTIRement list, like DiPietro was in 2013. So they had to buy him out at that point or throw him in the minors.

Third of all, if he's still around, they might feel like that HAVE to play him more than the 20 games that they probably should. So if the other goalie is blown out like Kinkaid was in Toronto, they'll throw him in there like they did against Winnipeg or even think they can play him in a back to back that happened 27 hours after the last game,

The only rationale and justification you can use to not buy him out is that the CBA is possibly up after next year, so you grin it and bear it with another year of him as backup after this, then if the CBA does end, we'll likely get at least one amnesty buyout, then we buy him and out and doesn't count against the cap at all.

I just don't think some of you understand how bad he's been for 109 games now. This is already 40 year old Brodeur levels of ruin from a 32 year old.

Yes, but how bad your back up is shouldn’t make or break a team.

How much you play your backup on the other hand...

If the team truly needs to buy out Cory to find a crappy backup who won’t get as many starts, so be it. But, it’ll cost a lot for a long time in terms of cap hit. With expected salaries for Hall, Hischier, bratt, etc, I’m not sure why anyone would prefer a buyout. I think it’s much more realistic that Cory rebounds to being a mediocre backup - at which point, how much value are you really getting after buying him out?

 

[NJDevs26]

Kind of hard to cause a breakaway when there's 2 players behind him.

I've seen plenty of instances where there's one player behind the puck carrier and one opposing player lurking behind for the pass because he knows it's coming. In the wrong spot that's gonna result in a breakaway against. At best you just get a lot of broken up plays where the pass doesn't work anyway.

 

[jkrdevil]

The better question is why not buy him out? The last thing we need is 4 years worth of the same inane garble we endured back in 2013-2014 when the staff still wanted to play a broken down Marty as much as they played him. To Hynes credit he’s rolled Kinker as his starter but still has a tendency to throw Schneids back in after a big blowout loss and wants to play him more often than not in back to backs. This isn’t about cap space for me. If we weren’t gonna use the cap space then it’s even more reason to use it for his buyout. The fact or the matter is that this is a poor tender at this stage of life. He can’t do it anymore.

I think tail’s point was that you can cut him from the roster and not have to buy him out. You can waive him, bury him in Binghamton or Europe (or just tell him to sit out the year), eat the 5 million cap hit (waiving him saves a million), but save two years of dead money on the cap if you buy him out this offseason.

 

[NorwegianDevil]

#NowWeRise

Amiright?

 

[tailfins]

The better question is why not buy him out? The last thing we need is 4 years worth of the same inane garble we endured back in 2013-2014 when the staff still wanted to play a broken down Marty as much as they played him. To Hynes credit he’s rolled Kinker as his starter but still has a tendency to throw Schneids back in after a big blowout loss and wants to play him more often than not in back to backs. This isn’t about cap space for me. If we weren’t gonna use the cap space then it’s even more reason to use it for his buyout. The fact or the matter is that this is a poor tender at this stage of life. He can’t do it anymore.

But the whole point is that we’re more likely to use the cap space further out in the future. Cory’s contract ends in 21-22. If he’s bought out, the cap hit goes until 24-25. I’d hope they have use for the cap space before then.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Don’t really think any of the D played well. Yak’s blunder caused goal 1. Severson blunder caused goal 2.

Greene had some major blunders. Lovejoy was Lovejoy. Mueller and Butcher were really ineffective moving the puck up ice (really everyone was).

They miss Vats pretty badly.

 

[NJDevs26]

I was wondering if this ever happened to US before...but yeesh, just six times in NHL history?!

 

[Emperoreddy]

Wood’s ineffectiveness is getting offensive at this point.

 

[MartyOwns]

I think tail’s point was that you can cut him from the roster and not have to buy him out. You can waive him, bury him in Binghamton or Europe (or just tell him to sit out the year), eat the 5 million cap hit (waiving him saves a million), but save two years of dead money on the cap if you buy him out this offseason.

most if not all of those solutions aren’t realistic though. that said, i do NOT want to buy him out this summer

 

[Emperoreddy]

Having an overpaid backup with our cap situation isn’t nearly as big a deal as some want it to be.

 

[Bleedred]

Because buying him out will create dead cap space for much longer. Unless you’re going to do something material with the roster spot or the cap space, much better to burn another year off Cory’s contract than buy him out. If a compliance buyout becomes available again, totally different story.

He's not that serviceable of a player anymore. This is more about extinguishing a poor player from the roster than saving cap space. Consider this to be on par with when Shero bought out Zubrus in 2015, even though we still had to have his entire cap hit on the books because he was a 35+ contract when he was signed to it. This is about removing a poor player, a poor player at the most important position in the game.

Because what we've seen from Schneider the last 2+ years isn't even a declining goalie. Lundqvist is a declining goalie. This is more of a drop off a cliff type, where the decline isn't a slow and modest burn like it is for guys like Lundqvist and Rask, this is a full burn. This is a more drastic dropoff than what Marty experienced at 40 years old at this point.

And who's to say he won't get worse over the next 3 years? It would be one thing if we knew he was gonna plateau in poor play, but we don't know that.

 

[jkrdevil]

I was wondering if this ever happened to US before...but yeesh, just six times in NHL history?!

I know we came close twice in the John MacLeans era...

 

[Bcap88]

Can’t win many games scoring one goal and definitely can’t win games when you give up two prime scoring chances in the first 30 seconds

 

[BenedictGomez]

I think tail’s point was that you can cut him from the roster and not have to buy him out. You can waive him, bury him in Binghamton or Europe (or just tell him to sit out the year), eat the 5 million cap hit (waiving him saves a million), but save two years of dead money on the cap if you buy him out this offseason.

Can you still Wade Redden NHL vets like that?

 

[Emperoreddy]

Can you still Wade Redden NHL vets like that?

Cap wise you can’t. You can waive him and get another backup, but his cap will still count.

 

[Bleedred]

Having an overpaid backup with our cap situation isn’t nearly as big a deal as some want it to be.

And with our cap situation, having his buyout on the books is also not a big deal.

It's more about getting a poor player off the roster.

And who's to say he won't drop off even more over the next 4 years?

This is worse and more of a drastic drop than old Marty at this point.