New GM Discussion Thread

[Habs Halifax]

@OldCraig71... This is what Roy would do with Bergevin and Molson and their "plans" lol.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Can we just have Roy be our GM?

He knows what its like to be a superstar in Montreal, good and bad. He knows what good teams look like, he has heart and passion --- he would be a great fit for a massive culture change.

 

[Koivu11]

I'd like a GM like Doug Wilson. That guy gets things done.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Can we just have Roy be our GM?

He knows what its like to be a superstar in Montreal, good and bad. He knows what good teams look like, he has heart and passion --- he would be a great fit for a massive culture change.

Not sure about GM but I would be OK with Roy as the President. I rather have Molson as CEO focusing on business, Roy as President of hockey operations, and Timmins as his GM doing day to day stuff.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd like a GM like Doug Wilson. That guy gets things done.

Decent option but can he get it done in Montreal? I think the GM jobs in Montreal and Toronto are the hardest so a savy President and a GM is the right model IMO. Maybe Wilson would be a good option as President?

 

[Lshap]

No one thinking of Vincent Damphousse as President or GM?

Knows the league, has experience as a player rep, sounds intelligent when commenting on RDS, and definitely knows his hockey.

Another rookie GM who'll be interning on the job. Just what we need....

 

[Lshap]

For the time out of the NHL I don't think it's a question of the NHL not wanting him back or be willing to give him a chance. It's much more likely that Roy isn't willing to accept an NHL job unless it's on his terms.

So for me the real question is if we gave Roy all that control would he actually be able to create a winner. Personally I have my doubts, but I'd still rather gamble on Roy then stick with Bergevin or gamble on Pierre McGuire.

It's a safe bet that Roy has been out of the NHL for four years precisely because he doesn't work well with others at this level. Aside from the relationship with a GM's own staff, a huge part of the job is negotiating with the other GMs. Goodwill, compromise and communication are crucial skills when it comes to building a winning team, and I agree that there are serious doubts about his ability in those areas.

Nope, nope and nope. He could never keep his finger off the pie.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm assuming.

 

[waffledave]

Guys, you are naming hockey qualifications when this is only an afterthought in terms of qualifications for Habs GM.

Molson is a wuss so he would never name a guy like Gainey, even if he speaks french. It has to be someone from the country club, media approved. Ideally someone from anti-chambre on RDS.

When Gainey was GM the media couldn't stand it, they invented so many stories about the Habs to try and stir shit up. Every other week was some huge controversy, just relentless. Koivu is evil, Kovalev thinks Carbo is a racist, etc...

Rejean Tremblay LITERALLY COMPARED GAINEY TO ADOLF HITLER WHO WAS WAGING A HOLOCAUST AGAINST QUEBEC PLAYERS ON THE HABS.

I am not making this up.

 

[Lshap]

Guys, you are naming hockey qualifications when this is only an afterthought in terms of qualifications for Habs GM.

Molson is a wuss so he would never name a guy like Gainey, even if he speaks french. It has to be someone from the country club, media approved. Ideally someone from anti-chambre on RDS.

When Gainey was GM the media couldn't stand it, they invented so many stories about the Habs to try and stir **** up. Every other week was some huge controversy, just relentless. Koivu is evil, Kovalev thinks Carbo is a racist, etc...

Rejean Tremblay LITERALLY COMPARED GAINEY TO ADOLF HITLER WHO WAS WAGING A HOLOCAUST AGAINST QUEBEC PLAYERS ON THE HABS.

I am not making this up.

And yet not a single advertiser or network boycotted the Habs, and the Bell Centre continued to sell out.

I'll repeat my mantra: Media outrage requires constant fuel or it fades and dies. The usual whiners may try whipping up a storm if the next GM isn't to their liking, but after a few days it'll be old news and people will stop caring. Because these stories have zero effect on our lives. This is a manufactured controversy.

 

[groovejuice]

So what would a firing even look like?

Let's assume Molson has decided - ok, it's time to move on. What does he do? What should he do?

Fire Bergevin immediately, and hire someone on an interim basis to give him time to find the right candidate? Does he also fire the coach and do interim coach, with new gm hiring new coach?
Does he fire Bergevin and right away name a successor?
Does he take 1-2 weeks to find a candidate - and only then fire Bergevin?

I find myself wondering how the process would even work.

I would start by firing Bergevin. God knows he's had enough of a chance. There would have to be an interrim GM, probably Timmins, since I strongly doubt that Molson is actually looking.

I'd look for a real hockey man first, with credibility, to become the PHO. He in turn would start the search for the next GM.

 

[ZUKI]

He's one of the most logical names given our limited pool. I'm still somewhat skeptic though. They are obviously different individuals but Bergevin and Quintal are very alike in terms of player background... Journeyman D with not a ton of education. Although Chiarelli proved that education doesn't mean much, I was hoping we'd go for someone more cerebral a la BriseBois. I'd be curious to see Joel Bouchard as GM though. Would be interesting. As passionnate as a guy like Roy but with a better feel for the game IMO.

I don't think that you're right when puting Bergevin and Quintal in the same bag . For one Quintal was a lot better player , and he's also a lot more articulated when he speaks . Didn't he go to school after his career ?

 

[NobleSix]

Guys, you are naming hockey qualifications when this is only an afterthought in terms of qualifications for Habs GM.

Molson is a wuss so he would never name a guy like Gainey, even if he speaks french. It has to be someone from the country club, media approved. Ideally someone from anti-chambre on RDS.

When Gainey was GM the media couldn't stand it, they invented so many stories about the Habs to try and stir **** up. Every other week was some huge controversy, just relentless. Koivu is evil, Kovalev thinks Carbo is a racist, etc...

Rejean Tremblay LITERALLY COMPARED GAINEY TO ADOLF HITLER WHO WAS WAGING A HOLOCAUST AGAINST QUEBEC PLAYERS ON THE HABS.

I am not making this up.

Yet there has been nothing but crickets about Bergevin for 8 years. There's no chance an Anglo GM would have made it out of 2017-2018 with his job. The city would have been on fire. There would have been a smear campaign in every news paper and tabloid in the city.

Bergevin keeping his job after that season is a dark stain on the history of this organization. There was absolutely no justification for it.

Good luck getting Bergevin out of there. He's the media's chosen one.

 

[ZUKI]

Why?he can't even do the job he has now ,just another one of bettman's rubber stamps.

pathetic ...

 

[groovejuice]

Does Patrick Roy have a highschool diploma?

I'd think in today's NHL, an ideal candidate for PHO would be experienced, educated and have had success at all levels.

 

[ZUKI]

Roy was VP in Colorado, as well as the coach. His style didn't work back then and he hasn't been hired within the NHL since. There is no logical reason to consider him for the job of Montreal's GM, other than as a marketing move.

And if marketing is prioritized over expertise, cut to the chase and hire Eugenie Bouchard as GM.

Eugenie is just good at hitting balls . I don't think that the players would appreciate her

 

[groovejuice]

If Pacioretty, Subban, or Galchenyuk were still here they'd be getting blamed for the losing streak. But all of the scapegoats of the MB defenders are gone.

Nah, now it's injuries, bad luck and Carey Price. There will always be scapegoats for the delusional fan.

 

[groovejuice]

Julien Brisebois.

That ship has sailed. Not a chance he'll cede his GM position in Tampa.

BrisBois was certainly the right guy when Bergevin was hired.

 

[OldCraig71]

Bring in Cam Russell

He's drafted, developed and traded for some great teams.

This guy would be an excellent candidate but you know as well as I do that it won't happen, Vincent Damphousse would be my guess to be the next gm if and when MB is fired.

 

[Slashers98]

How about Pierre Mcguire? He was rumoured to be a runner-up candidate when Molson hired BargainBin the first time and he said he's still interested in the job.

 

[ZUKI]

Guys, you are naming hockey qualifications when this is only an afterthought in terms of qualifications for Habs GM.

Molson is a wuss so he would never name a guy like Gainey, even if he speaks french. It has to be someone from the country club, media approved. Ideally someone from anti-chambre on RDS.

When Gainey was GM the media couldn't stand it, they invented so many stories about the Habs to try and stir **** up. Every other week was some huge controversy, just relentless. Koivu is evil, Kovalev thinks Carbo is a racist, etc...

Rejean Tremblay LITERALLY COMPARED GAINEY TO ADOLF HITLER WHO WAS WAGING A HOLOCAUST AGAINST QUEBEC PLAYERS ON THE HABS.

I am not making this up.

Who cares about what Rejean Tremblay said ?
And the text i put on italic is such a exaggerated making up of the reality . We are talking about hockey , not about opera

 

[ZUKI]

How about Pierre Mcguire? He was rumoured to be a runner-up candidate when Molson hired BargainBin the first time and he said he's still interested in the job.

be serious please. P.McGuire

 

[groovejuice]

Popular name but what makes you think he does better than Bergevin? No tax advantage in Montreal remember. I'm not a Brisebois hater but I would rather have Roy as President and Timmins as his GM.

We need someone like Gainey to steer this ship again and be the face of our management. Give it to Roy and have Timmins be his GM or have Roy hire a GM. Imagine Roy and Brodeur working together?

You have seen the résumé of BrisBois, have you not? He eclipses most of the names anyone could come up with, not even including the mentorship of Yzerman, which is an emormous asset.

 

[OldCraig71]

@OldCraig71... This is what Roy would do with Bergevin and Molson and their "plans" lol.

Wow, I guess that automatically makes Roy a hater.

 

[groovejuice]

Is there any talk of firing Bergevin ? he is the go to guys to Molson, He doesn't have the ball to fire Bergevin.

If he had 2, he might.

 

[waffledave]

Who cares about what Rejean Tremblay said ?
And the text i put on italic is such a exaggerated making up of the reality . We are talking about hockey , not about opera

I'm not making any of that up or exaggerating at all. In fact, the article is still online: La fin de Therrien?

Il n’y avait pas un francophone dans l’alignement du Canadien de Montréal mercredi soir au Colorado.
C’est peut-être déjà arrivé dans la glorieuse histoire de l’équipe, mais je ne m’en souviens pas. J’ai toujours vu un Maurice Richard, un Émile Bouchard, un Guy Lafleur, un Jean Béliveau, un Vincent Damphousse, un Patrice Brisebois dans un chandail du Canadien.
L’œuvre d’éradication des frogs entreprise par Bob Gainey et Pierre Gauthier avec Trevor Timmins comme homme de main a obtenu la solution finale. Des francophones, il n’y en avait plus dans l’équipe pour cette défaite.