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Anthrax442 said:
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Bauer's defense wasn't that he didn't crack the woman's skull and have sex with her when she was unconscious...it was that she consented by coming back after rough sex the first time.

The judge (who happened to be a Dodgers STH) seemed to overlook that his defense included an admission to assault.
 
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Bjindaho said:
Bauer's defense wasn't that he didn't crack the woman's skull and have sex with her when she was unconscious...it was that she consented by coming back after rough sex the first time.

The judge (who happened to be a Dodgers STH) seemed to overlook that his defense included an admission to assault.
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Not to defend Bauer cause the guy is a pos who has been accused by at least 2 other women of SA.
But the woman in this case had issues when the texts she had sent about extorting him came out in discovery. And they started before their first encounter.

Edit: I don’t intend to victim blame. I wasn’t there I don’t know what happened and it certainly falls in line with other accusations against him. I just intended to point out there were definite legal issues with her side of the case.
 
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For Bauer it's a double, maybe even triple whammy; Most people would probably would have been able to come back from the legal stuff since he was cleared of the most prominent suit.

There's also the fact he's a malignant asshole in the clubhouse. Was absolutely hated in Cleveland. Cut himself playing with his drones, which in hindsight probably actually cost the Guardians the World Series, was routinely so toxic he himself admitted in an interview he would take the scenic route to the clubhouse as a way to avoid all his teammates who didn't like him. Him throwing his glove over the center field wall was the breaking point iirc.

He was so toxic in Cincy the Reds didn't even bother to offer him a contract despite him winning a Cy Young. The Dodgers clubhouse demanded he straight up not be allowed to return when all that broke. While i'm sure some took issues with what he did, i would be willing to bet a good amount of the clubhouse saw it as a chance to get rid of him.

Ran himself out of Japan with absolutely braindead comments despite actually kind of starting to build a following over there.

Then throw in the "probably sucks without Sticky stuff and the MLB probably still holds a grudge over that" line too.

Somebody did a video on Bauer's history. Guy was a prick going all the way back to his youth lmao;

 
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An on top of all that, his reputation on the mound is overblown.

He won a Cy Young in the Covid season. He last threw more than 175 innings in 2019.

He's 34 and outside of 3 years, he was an average pitcher.
 
Is 84 Wins attainable? If the pitching holds up they can be a 500 team, but if they’re dealing Vlad and Bo this summer it could affect the win total, and maybe even positively?
 
Blitzkrug said:
For Bauer it's a double, maybe even triple whammy; Most people would probably would have been able to come back from the legal stuff since he was cleared of the most prominent suit.

There's also the fact he's a malignant asshole in the clubhouse. Was absolutely hated in Cleveland. Cut himself playing with his drones, which in hindsight probably actually cost the Guardians the World Series, was routinely so toxic he himself admitted in an interview he would take the scenic route to the clubhouse as a way to avoid all his teammates who didn't like him. Him throwing his glove over the center field wall was the breaking point iirc.

He was so toxic in Cincy the Reds didn't even bother to offer him a contract despite him winning a Cy Young. The Dodgers clubhouse demanded he straight up not be allowed to return when all that broke. While i'm sure some took issues with what he did, i would be willing to bet a good amount of the clubhouse saw it as a chance to get rid of him.

Ran himself out of Japan with absolutely braindead comments despite actually kind of starting to build a following over there.

Then throw in the "probably sucks without Sticky stuff and the MLB probably still holds a grudge over that" line too.

Somebody did a video on Bauer's history. Guy was a prick going all the way back to his youth lmao;

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This is crazy. But its like watching a serial killer documentary
 
I'm sure that others have said this before, but it needs to be said, Max Scherzer is making 15 million this year and with his current thumb problem and past shoulder issues he'll be lucky to get 15 starts and that's 1 million per start, he'd better win for that money.
 
Nineteen67 said:
Is 84 Wins attainable? If the pitching holds up they can be a 500 team, but if they’re dealing Vlad and Bo this summer it could affect the win total, and maybe even positively?
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Fangraphs projects the Jays to win 83. That's a 50th percentile projection, so they should be expected to be somewhere right around. Obviously a lot can go wrong over the course of a season, but maybe we're due for a couple things breaking the Jays' way and getting into the upper 80s.

For the record, they project the Yankees winning the division with 86 wins, so it's basically a complete toss-up at this point.
 
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Fangraphs projects the Jays to win 83. That's a 50th percentile projection, so they should be expected to be somewhere right around. Obviously a lot can go wrong over the course of a season, but maybe we're due for a couple things breaking the Jays' way and getting into the upper 80s.

For the record, they project the Yankees winning the division with 86 wins, so it's basically a complete toss-up at this point.
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Keep in mind that these projections include Rodon and Schmidt outpitching anything they have done for NY and Warren/Gil (note: Gil is out at least 3 months, but he is a quality pitcher) being a quality rotation piece.

Also, their Judge projection is likely low, but Cabrera is likely high and their Grisham projection is just insane. Add on to that that they predict a 2.2 from Dominguez who is a rookie and is having a rough spring (and might not be ready) and there are definitely holes there (before looking at health).
 
Discoverer said:
Fangraphs projects the Jays to win 83. That's a 50th percentile projection, so they should be expected to be somewhere right around. Obviously a lot can go wrong over the course of a season, but maybe we're due for a couple things breaking the Jays' way and getting into the upper 80s.

For the record, they project the Yankees winning the division with 86 wins, so it's basically a complete toss-up at this point.
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86 as the benchmark to win the AL East seems a bit low given it's probably still the best in baseball. I unfortunately do believe at least on paper, the Jays are probably the weakest of the five teams.

Yankees: Downgraded from MVP level Juan Soto to "fine" Cody Bellinger. Still have a garbage can of a lineup outside of Judge, him and Chisholm. Pitching is elite but that has taken hits with Cole gone and now Gil gone long-ish term. I can confidently say there's no way this team should win the division

Orioles: Probably are the best team on paper and would have won it last year if all of their stars forgot how to hit a baseball post all-star break. Lineup is stacked but major questions about the starting pitching in the short term outside of Eflin/Rodriguez. They did get Tyler Wells back and will likely get Kyle Bradish back by the all-star break.

Red Sox: Most intriguing team of the bunch. Went out and got pitching help for both the starting rotation and bullpen. Appears like the time has come for their young nucleus of Marcello Mayer, Roman Anthony, and Kristian Campbell to begin their transition to the majors to supplement a decent group of Devers, Bregman, Casas. (Campbell is expected to win the 2B job per sources out of Boston) Their rotation has the potential to be sneaky good too. Could see this team winning anywhere from like barely 70 games to 90+. Major boom/bust

Tampa: Lineup remains solid, if not unspectacular but their rotation is back in business with McClanahan, Baz and Rasmussen back. My pick to win the division imo.

Blue Jays: Major questions about the lineup with contributions expected from young guns, bullpen per usual. Remains to be seen if Santander is enough to take this lineup from junk to solid.
 
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86 as the benchmark to win the AL East seems a bit low given it's probably still the best in baseball. I unfortunately do believe at least on paper, the Jays are probably the weakest of the five teams.

Yankees: Downgraded from MVP level Juan Soto to "fine" Cody Bellinger. Still have a garbage can of a lineup outside of Judge, him and Chisholm. Pitching is elite but that has taken hits with Cole gone and now Gil gone long-ish term. I can confidently say there's no way this team should win the division

Orioles: Probably are the best team on paper and would have won it last year if all of their stars forgot how to hit a baseball post all-star break. Lineup is stacked but major questions about the starting pitching in the short term outside of Eflin/Rodriguez. They did get Tyler Wells back and will likely get Kyle Bradish back by the all-star break.

Red Sox: Most intriguing team of the bunch. Went out and got pitching help for both the starting rotation and bullpen. Appears like the time has come for their young nucleus of Marcello Mayer, Roman Anthony, and Kristian Campbell to begin their transition to the majors to supplement a decent group of Devers, Bregman, Casas. (Campbell is expected to win the 2B job per sources out of Boston) Their rotation has the potential to be sneaky good too. Could see this team winning anywhere from like barely 70 games to 90+. Major boom/bust

Tampa: Lineup remains solid, if not unspectacular but their rotation is back in business with McClanahan, Baz and Rasmussen back. My pick to win the division imo.

Blue Jays: Major questions about the lineup with contributions expected from young guns, bullpen per usual. Remains to be seen if Santander is enough to take this lineup from junk to solid.
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FWIW, Rodriguez is going to miss the first bit of the season. He's only throwing at 75 feet, so he could miss more than a month. They have a great bullpen and a good hitting team though.

The Red Sox are intriguing if they can hit enough.

Tampa is the weakest team in the division in terms of actual depth, but names could overcome that
 
Beaumaris said:
At all costs? :huh: He’s not that good bud.
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Nothing like seeing your franchise player being walked away right into free agency because management was unwilling to sign him to a contract that would look like a discount now, and are also unwilling to pay him a contract that he is assuredly going to get from some team if it's not the Jays.

Okay...alright then. Looking forward to this team wallowing away further, all that without their best player to boot.
 
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86 as the benchmark to win the AL East seems a bit low given it's probably still the best in baseball. I unfortunately do believe at least on paper, the Jays are probably the weakest of the five teams.

Yankees: Downgraded from MVP level Juan Soto to "fine" Cody Bellinger. Still have a garbage can of a lineup outside of Judge, him and Chisholm. Pitching is elite but that has taken hits with Cole gone and now Gil gone long-ish term. I can confidently say there's no way this team should win the division

Orioles: Probably are the best team on paper and would have won it last year if all of their stars forgot how to hit a baseball post all-star break. Lineup is stacked but major questions about the starting pitching in the short term outside of Eflin/Rodriguez. They did get Tyler Wells back and will likely get Kyle Bradish back by the all-star break.

Red Sox: Most intriguing team of the bunch. Went out and got pitching help for both the starting rotation and bullpen. Appears like the time has come for their young nucleus of Marcello Mayer, Roman Anthony, and Kristian Campbell to begin their transition to the majors to supplement a decent group of Devers, Bregman, Casas. (Campbell is expected to win the 2B job per sources out of Boston) Their rotation has the potential to be sneaky good too. Could see this team winning anywhere from like barely 70 games to 90+. Major boom/bust

Tampa: Lineup remains solid, if not unspectacular but their rotation is back in business with McClanahan, Baz and Rasmussen back. My pick to win the division imo.

Blue Jays: Major questions about the lineup with contributions expected from young guns, bullpen per usual. Remains to be seen if Santander is enough to take this lineup from junk to solid.
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Well yeah, 86 wins definitely won't win the division because someone (likely at least a couple teams) is going to outperform their projections by a bunch. The projections just show how tight the division is and suggest every team is one or two breaks from being at the top (or tumbling to the bottom, depending how those breaks go).
 
Discoverer said:
Well yeah, 86 wins definitely won't win the division because someone (likely at least a couple teams) is going to outperform their projections by a bunch. The projections just show how tight the division is and suggest every team is one or two breaks from being at the top (or tumbling to the bottom, depending how those breaks go).
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Just ran a quick sanity check. The numbers don't actually add up (.500367 win percentage, so there is some funky noise in the data).

Also, this is based on Depth Charts which has some absolutely ridiculous projections (like Brandon Lowe being better than his last 3 years or Junior Caminero being a 3.3 fWAR 3B and outhitting his minor league numbers last year).
 
Not sure if latest interview vid of Vlad is recent or accurate, but Can you imagine if before/during the season Marner said he was looking forward to speaking to all of the teams in the offseason including the Yankees, hockey equivalent I guess would be Habs.

He would be sewered beyond belief. Vladdy does it and it’s sort of a shrug. Guy should be sent packing immediately.
 
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Not sure if latest interview vid of Vlad is recent or accurate, but Can you imagine if before/during the season Marner said he was looking forward to speaking to all of the teams in the offseason including the Yankees, hockey equivalent I guess would be Habs.

He would be sewered beyond belief. Vladdy does it and it’s sort of a shrug. Guy should be sent packing immediately.
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It is gamesmanship.

Marner is a terrible comparable in this case.

Imagine the Islanders and Noah Dobson were not close on a deal. If Dobson got upset and said that he was headed to free agency, that would make sense.

In the case of Marner, the fans would eviscerate him for that kind of statement given that the team had to essentially commit to the equivalent of a UFA contract before he was a UFA (because of the RFA system).

The other side of this whole thing is that most of us expect there to be some middle ground where Vladdy re-signs making the comment moot. Essentially, both sides have leaked where they are which in this specific case which will likely lead to an agreement.
 
Discoverer said:
Well yeah, 86 wins definitely won't win the division because someone (likely at least a couple teams) is going to outperform their projections by a bunch. The projections just show how tight the division is and suggest every team is one or two breaks from being at the top (or tumbling to the bottom, depending how those breaks go).
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Should be a fun year, to be honest.
 
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Just ran a quick sanity check. The numbers don't actually add up (.500367 win percentage, so there is some funky noise in the data).

Also, this is based on Depth Charts which has some absolutely ridiculous projections (like Brandon Lowe being better than his last 3 years or Junior Caminero being a 3.3 fWAR 3B and outhitting his minor league numbers last year).
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The numbers not adding up is just because the win/loss totals they show are rounded.

I'm sure there's lots of stuff to quibble with, but it should be pretty easy to see the logic behind pretty much everything, even if you disagree.

Like... Caminero had a 111 wRC+ in AAA and then a 105 in the majors as a 20 year old rookie. Considering his age and that the worst wRC+ he's ever had at any level before last year was 137, I think it makes sense to project him to take a significant step forward.

Overall, the bullish and bearish projections probably at least come close to balancing out for each team.
 
MY hope is we’re doing really well (maybe even within striking distance of 1st in the division), and we trade for an impact bat at the deadline. I think that would push us over the top.
 
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