Speculation: Nemec not happy with the Devils?

[My3Sons]

NJ isn’t trading Nemec absent an obvious overpay. In thr real world what team values pieces and parts for a good player or project absent being forced to make a trade where a player has the ability to leave as a UFA or maybe not sign an ELC coming out of college? A toxic situation like Jiricek is very rare and even then the past little bit shows Nemec putting up big scoring numbers in the AHL and looking like thr player he is supposed to be after overcoming what was obviously a bad shoulder injury. NJ will make room for him next season. One of Hamilton or Kovacevic will move on. My guess is Kovacevic leaves as a UFA.

 

[MakoSlade]

LOL respectfully disagree as the rangers alone would crush that package with something like Perreault, 1st, Laff. Nemec isnt even close to as valued as you guys believe

What value does Laf have? I'm not saying he has bad value, but how good? Signed for big money and has been underperforming big time since signing that deal. The previous excuses don't apply - he is now on the first line with Trochek and Panarin, and seeing first line minutes with power play time. And the Rangers have been playing much better lately. And the eye test is bland - he is not a player to be feared right now.

What makes you think Nemec is overvalued? I'm guessing the team he plays on. Perreault is looking real good, but who do you think is more valued between him and Nemec? I'd say worse case for Nemec is even.

 

[Fatass]

What value does Laf have? I'm not saying he has bad value, but how good? Signed for big money and has been underperforming big time since signing that deal. The previous excuses don't apply - he is now on the first line with Trochek and Panarin, and seeing first line minutes with power play time. And the Rangers have been playing much better lately. And the eye test is bland - he is not a player to be feared right now.

What makes you think Nemec is overvalued? I'm guessing the team he plays on. Perreault is looking real good, but who do you think is more valued between him and Nemec? I'd say worse case for Nemec is even.

Nemec has a lot of stock value right now. Not too sure if he’s a top four guy on Jersey, who are definitely Cup contenders, and he’s not a bottom pairing PK kind of guy.

 

[Forge]

Just a bit of reality....

Whatever the Devil fans (or any fan of any team) think he's worth will get thrown out a 100 story window the moment Nemec is unhappy and wants to be traded.

The next reality...is he improving in the AHL? Don't assume he is. I'm not saying he isn't, but progression is never a straight line so don't assume he is...or he's not.

I mean, I suppose that depends on what you think his value is without asking for a trade?

I feel like most people are valuing him around what Jiricek got right now, and that's certainly a reasonable take. I have no idea why that would change given that Jiricek was unhappy and publicly appeared to want out. If we are saying that wanting out and requesting a trade suppresses value, Jiricek's was also coming from a suppressed place. You wouldn't lower Nemec's value further in comparison.

McGroarty wanted out of Winnipeg's system, and they got a comparable prospect in return.

I do agree that in some instances wanting out could certainly lower the value, but demand is still what ultimately drives the price.

 

[57special]

NJ isn’t trading Nemec absent an obvious overpay. In thr real world what team values pieces and parts for a good player or project absent being forced to make a trade where a player has the ability to leave as a UFA or maybe not sign an ELC coming out of college? A toxic situation like Jiricek is very rare and even then the past little bit shows Nemec putting up big scoring numbers in the AHL and looking like thr player he is supposed to be after overcoming what was obviously a bad shoulder injury. NJ will make room for him next season. One of Hamilton or Kovacevic will move on. My guess is Kovacevic leaves as a UFA.

Maybe, maybe not. That might be want you want as a fan- i mean, who doesn't want an overpay?
However, like with jiricek, your GM might decide to move on from him if he has decided that he isn't developing as hoped, and doesn't want a bad attitude around an organization that is trending in a positive direction. Things are fluid in terms of value, and if a GM decides that someone is no longer a need, or worth the trouble, he will move him somewhere, for similar value asset(s).

 

[Brooklyndevil]

You cant be serious that you think if brady tkachuk was made available that there arent many teams that could top a package with the headline being nemec


Borgen likely to be flipped for a 2nd and 4th at the TDL.

So ultimately Kakko gets moved for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th.

For Tkachuk, it would start with Nemec and Mercer.

 

[Forge]

Maybe, maybe not. That might be want you want as a fan- i mean, who doesn't want an overpay?
However, like with jiricek, your GM might decide to move on from him if he has decided that he isn't developing as hoped, and doesn't want a bad attitude around an organization that is trending in a positive direction. Things are fluid in terms of value, and if a GM decides that someone is no longer a need, or worth the trouble, he will move him somewhere, for similar value asset(s).

Mostly agree.

In this very specific situation, Fitz shouldn't be at this place yet given that Kovacevic is a free agent, Casey isn't healthy and Nemec right now appears to be fine and isn't requesting a trade or anything.

If a team wanted him right now, I think it would take a big move. Things could change substantially in 6 months which is why earlier I said that we are probably just too soon on this. I assume this becomes a bigger issue in June / July if moves have been made that prevent Nemec from potentially being on the roster next season. And that could also greatly impact his value from where it is now. As you said, very fluid thing.

 

[My3Sons]

Maybe, maybe not. That might be want you want as a fan- i mean, who doesn't want an overpay?
However, like with jiricek, your GM might decide to move on from him if he has decided that he isn't developing as hoped, and doesn't want a bad attitude around an organization that is trending in a positive direction. Things are fluid in terms of value, and if a GM decides that someone is no longer a need, or worth the trouble, he will move him somewhere, for similar value asset(s).

They aren’t there yet. NJ doesn’t want to trade him and doesn’t have to and Nemec isnt seeking a trade . If NJ extends Kovacevic maybe there is something to discuss. Right now this is a non story being wishcast by fans of teams other than NJ . Look its hfboards. Fans of 31 teams want you team to fail. Doesn’t change reality though.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Again, something around Panarin 5.6+ retained to an even 6 per this season + next
Jones good skating stopgap D
for
Nemec + rights to Silayev
cap dum Huala now on IR

if nec NJ can pay to have ANA eat coupla mil

Bern we are not giving you a future first or second pairing on defense for toastman not happening...What team does that trade ever especially to a rival team???

 

[Smitty426]

What value does Laf have? I'm not saying he has bad value, but how good? Signed for big money and has been underperforming big time since signing that deal. The previous excuses don't apply - he is now on the first line with Trochek and Panarin, and seeing first line minutes with power play time. And the Rangers have been playing much better lately. And the eye test is bland - he is not a player to be feared right now.

What makes you think Nemec is overvalued? I'm guessing the team he plays on. Perreault is looking real good, but who do you think is more valued between him and Nemec? I'd say worse case for Nemec is even.

Perrault will be good but he's played only with kids. Nemec as a 19 yo played 60 games and looked like a vet. GP is a lottery ticket still, Nemec isnt.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Bystedt, Ferraro and a 2nd for Nemec.

I do not want to see Nemec traded but if he was to be traded this is the type of trade we would need to make...It would address our need for a young fwd...

 

[bernmeister]

Bern we are not giving you a future first or second pairing on defense for toastman not happening...What team does that trade ever especially to a rival team???

fine but until bread actually shipped to DAL as I suggest he is available and some variation of a deal w/him to Jersey is appropriate until it's own issues are worked out

you want to dispute value, that is yr right and it's a free country

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

fine but until bread actually shipped to DAL as I suggest he is available and some variation of a deal w/him to Jersey is appropriate until it's own issues are worked out

you want to dispute value, that is yr right and it's a free country

Yes it is thankfully free...Dallas I think best trade with your team is for CK not bread...Going back to your offer we don't need a guy like bread we need someone like CK and a guy to replace Mikey M who the Devils have not replaced yet....

 

[Freaky Styley]

Are we talking about the first 10 games or the last, because he looks like a completely different player. He leads the team in plusminus when most of the other players are well into the negative side.

the last. It was actually his his last 5 or so games I was watching, and in the ones he put up 3pts and 5pts respectively.

He's getting more opportunities with Casey out. He has talent, I'm not denying that - and like any other player with talent, he will produce given the right opportunity.

It's his skating and his lackluster D zone play that will prevent him from getting those opportunities at the NHL level IMO. Like I said, he has the ability to put in the work, but if he is still making these mistakes it shows me that there's not much desire to focus on those details.

It's not like I'm not rooting for him. I just think the recent hype is a product of stat watching only which can be misleading, and it's not like he's suddenly going to develop the physical tools in which he lacks.