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Egresch said:
Well, that is what I am talking about. Nemec was a better D last season, but the message from management in the off-season was the opposite. They trust Hughes and they will give him a chance, but they did not trust Nemec. Hamilton was coming back from injury, they signed Pesce and traded for Kovacevic which basically said you will be 3RD without any PP time and in case something goes wrong we have an insurance in Kovacevic. Two totally different messages and obviously nobody likes double standard treatment.
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In no world was Nemec better than Hughes last season.
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
This is misleading, the signed Pesce and traded for what they thought would be a 7th D in Kovacevic but they also traded out Marino. So in reality they signed one as a Marino replacement and traded for depth.
It would have been a non issue if Nemec hadn't gotten hurt or played a whole lot better than he did.
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No, I get it, but he played top4 role last season. Hamilton was coming back and they signed Pesce. With their salary and vet status, it was obvious from the very beginning that Nemec was supposed to be 3RD. Kovacevic was supposed to be 7th D. One small injury in pre-season, no mercy from the management and instead of top4 role in NHL you are driving the bus from Utica with the worst team in AHL. Are we really surprised that he is not happy?

Jersey Fresh said:
In no world was Nemec better than Hughes last season.
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Check my post above with their stats. Facts dont lie.
 
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Young D man who just is not good enough yet to make a team with Cup aspirations. He’s thinking about the loss of salary?
 
Egresch said:
In season 1, Nemec was sent down to Utica, because he needed to adjust to NA ice and work on his defensive play. He did not complain, worked hard and significantly improved his D.
Season 2- He was sent to Utica again, worked hard and waited for his chance. When he was called up, he quickly showed he can play at NHL level.
Season 3- Club decided to sign two RHD vets which pretty much indicates they have no trust with Nemec. He got injured and had a slow start.
He is not similar case as Jiricek because Jiricek never proved he can play at NHL level.
If defensive play is the reason why he cannot be in NHL, then what was Luke Hughes doing there last year? Why can they be 100% patient with Hughes, but have no trust with Nemec. I guess those are the bad signals he was getting, so he is obviously questioning their approach.
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No one expected Kovacevic (hardly a vet) to be a top pairing D man in the league. We got him for a 4th round pick, that should tell you everything everyone considered him. The D was revamped because we were not stout enough or seasoned enough. 19-year-old Nemec was thrown into a spot last year because of injuries and played 60 games like he'd been in the league for years. His play tailed off at the end but again 19 and 3/3 of his first NHL season. It's a great problem to have, I just don't think it's a problem. It's a TDL story that's not a story. If a stupid deal comes around sure consider it, but otherwise play out the season (there will be injuries) and see what transpires with Hamilton over the summer. Alot can happen that has not even happened yet. On Hughes, they were never going to let Jacks brother play in the minors. I disagree with this but let's be real.
 
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Egresch said:
No, I get it, but he played top4 role last season. Hamilton was coming back and they signed Pesce. With their salary and vet status, it was obvious from the very beginning that Nemec was supposed to be 3RD. Kovacevic was supposed to be 7th D. One small injury in pre-season, no mercy from the management and instead of top4 role in NHL you are driving the bus from Utica with the worst team in AHL. Are we really surprised that he is not happy?
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People don't run their teams to appease their players Kovacevic outplayed Nemec and took his spot. Why would there be any mercy from management? He got outplayed, they aren't going to scratch guys that are playing well to ensure a struggling player gets his NHL money.
He can pout about it if he wants to or he can learn and improve his game so this doesn't happen to him again.
 
Nobody on the planet expected Kovacevic to be a secret top-4 defender with defensive elite metrics. We were expecting him to be a decent bottom-pairing guy who could compete for the #6 D slot and would probably be a healthy scratch most nights.

The shoulder injury at the Olympic qualifiers did him no favors, but the problem is depth. Nemec was not given a spot out of camp, he was forced to earn it and he fell short. He was still given 9 NHL games at the start of this year and didn't do anything worth noticing.

His production in the AHL has been encouraging over the last month and he's still in NJ's long-term plans. The issue is Dougie Hamilton, who we like, but is making 9M a year and getting older and coming off a major surgery. His play this year has been okay, but his best weapon is his shot and it's been much worse since his pectoral surgery. NJ pays him a signing bonus on July 1st which significantly reduces his actual salary owed, and his NMC turns into a NTC with a 10 team trade list. Ideally NJ finds a taker for him this summer and clears that cap.
 
Smitty426 said:
On Hughes, they were never going to let Jacks brother play in the minors. I disagree with this but let's be real.
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Thank you, finally someone admits, but we should also understand Nemec. How should he accept double-standard?
HugeInTheShire said:
He can pout about it if he wants to or he can learn and improve his game so this doesn't happen to him again.
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He got small injury, this happens all the time. When he came back, he did not play well, so did Pesce and Hughes first few games. We also need to understand he was sent down to a losing environment and a very weak team. Of course, he is not happy and it took him time to swallow that pill. He will work it out for sure, he is a great kid.
 
SallyBalls said:
Cooley had 44.

-Cooley has keller on his wing and has played in a better team than Slaffy.
-Slaffy hasnt played enough consistent minutes with Suzi + Caufield
-Big guys take longer to develop. You always take a good big guy over a good small guy.


Slaffy has been fine, and when its all said and done will have a better career than Cooley. Although, Cooley is a fine player and is on track to be a #1 Center.
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this explains your ranking of hutson.
 
What is NJ looking for, for the playoff run ?

Having an asset like Nemec available to trade at the deadline can be a blessing in disguise. Can't see any team beating out an offer with him on the table. Who cares if you "lose" a trade long term if the asset gets you a cup.
 
Oneiro said:
I would trade Nemec for a Buchnevich level player with some team control for 3+ years, whoever that is.

So high IQ, two way guy who's not a puck hog with above average scoring chops. Basically what Mercer was supposed to be but isn't.

Anything below that tier isn't worth shortening the window.
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Nemec for Buchnevich then, because the Blues have to move a winger with their recent crushed drafts and they are looking at home run swings on RD
 
Egresch said:
Thank you, finally someone admits, but we should also understand Nemec. How should he accept double-standard?

He got small injury, this happens all the time. When he came back, he did not play well, so did Pesce and Hughes first few games. We also need to understand he was sent down to a losing environment and a very weak team. Of course, he is not happy and it took him time to swallow that pill. He will work it out for sure, he is a great kid.
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Luke was more finished than Nemec was. Playing at Mich was like an AHL team so he had a headstart. Listen I am all for accountability so its not lost on me. Luke blew that game for us last night in OT and Devs fans are blaming Hamilton for not jumping on the ice as the pay happened to get Willie! A dumb response from our fanbase! Our GM needs to add to make this roster better for a run but I dont think he's giving up those 2 defensemen in Utica unless its a crazy deal with addl pcs.
 
Stars should be dangling Logan Stankoven or Mavrik Bourque for Nemec. Dallas would have to add to Bourque but I think Stankoven for Nemec is close, maybe some add on NJ's end..
 
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Ok ok look at this :

Habs out :

Habs or Calgary 2025 1st (worst of the 2)
Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux

NJ Out :

Nemec
Haula
2025 2nd round picks (worst of the 3)

St-Louis out :

Buchnevich

Habs in :

Nemec
50% of Buchnevich actual contract (2,9 M$)
2025 2nd round


NJ in :

Jake Evans
Buchnevich (50%)

St_louis in :

Habs or Cgy 1st (worst of the 2)
Mailloux
Érik Haula
 
Nemec has a point, he probably shouldn't have been drafted 2nd.

Wondering if offering Kyrou would be a wise decision or not from the Blues' perspective as I don't know much about Nemec.
 
Just named as a replacement to the All-Star Team.

Interview feels more lost in translation with nuance but Nemec answered honestly and he’s not wrong about how long top picks do (or don’t) spend in the A. He was asked about the trade and responded comfortably in his home media, it’s not a weird thing.

Unique situation in Jersey where he was slotted into the roster yet the injury and Kovacevic’s emergence relegated him to Utica since we’ve had zero real injuries on D since. They’re not keeping him up to sit. He’ll be up for the playoffs.

99% chance he’s up here next season as one of the RD get moved / walk. I don’t think anyone in Jersey is panicking at all really. His 1H of last season in NJ was stronger but he really tailed off at the end, we know there’s good hockey there.
 
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Nogatco Rd said:
Ironically, the surname Nemec means (roughly) “he who doesn’t speak”
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It actually means "German." Somone probably pointed that out already

Nogatco Rd said:
The proto-Slavs used the word “nemec” to refer to Germanic people because their languages were mutually unintelligible. So in that context it meant “they who do not speak (like us)” or “mute,” and was sometimes used as a term for any foreign people.

Eventually it just became associated with Germans, and is also the root of the Russian word for German, “nemetski,” the Bulgarian “nemski” , etc.
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Well, well, learn something new every day
 
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Benstheman said:
Ok ok look at this :

Habs out :

Habs or Calgary 2025 1st (worst of the 2)
Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux

NJ Out :

Nemec
Haula
2025 2nd round picks (worst of the 3)

St-Louis out :

Buchnevich

Habs in :

Nemec
50% of Buchnevich actual contract (2,9 M$)
2025 2nd round


NJ in :

Jake Evans
Buchnevich (50%)

St_louis in :

Habs or Cgy 1st (worst of the 2)
Mailloux
Érik Haula
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the retention isn't happening on Buchnevich for 6+ years

In a world where it did happen there would also not be an extra 2d round pick on top of it

The second proposal zero interest, in part because we don't even have Jake Evans, which is an issue there. But the second proposal is just selling (wait, also 50% retained? holy shit!) Buch for like the 15th overall pick which has zilch interest on our side. No interest in Mailloux or Haula.

(You guys asked for Buchnevich so we said Buchnevich, you didn't ask for Buchnevich plus draft pick payment plus onerous retention)
 
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