Speculation: NEED CONFIRMATION! WE HAVE BEEN TRICKED?! WILLANDER TO ?!

[UrbanImpact]

I really like the fit with VAN/OTT around Pinto, although VAN would rightly be very hesitant to deal Willander.

I would much prefer Lekkerimaki, especially if Boeser is retained, that gives them much more depth at RW than RD, and Debrusk can play RW also.

So, let's say something like:

1: Pinto + FLA 3rd <--> VAN 1st, Lekkerimaki

Then, OTT still has Stutzle-Cozens-Grieg at C, adds Lekkerimaki behind Batherson on RW, and probably flips the VAN 1st, while VAN gets a (imo) solid 24yo RH 2C who they can play in an elevated role with solid wingers (Boeser, Debrusk, Garland, maybe Chytil if he recovers?)

Shane Pinto has done nothing to show that his value is worth 2 1st round picks which is what that offer is.

Canucks need to target a young 2c capable of scoring around 50-60 points a season, and more in their prime.

Pinto is a good complimentary player but it would be a huge gamble, no pun intended, to bet on him becoming a 2C.

If Ottawa wants to sell him for less than a 1st and Lekkerimaki then id be interested.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Barzal and Rossi are who instantly came to mind but that's been discussed already.

An interesting option might be Connor Geekie in Tampa. They are pretty set long term at center. Adding a 1st and Lekkerimarki or Willander would help replenish their coffers a tiny bit.

Geekie is a good player, i see him more as a defensive 3c....no way is he worth a mid 1st and a top prospect like Lerkkerimaki.

At 13th-15th you can get someone like Brady Martin who id probably take over Connor Geekie one for one right now, or at least close to it.

He'd be great to have on the roster though.

 

[Indy18]

Columbus for instance would be an Awesome fit for Tom Willander. He could easily replace Jiricek as the RD stud for the next decade + in CBJ.

Centre wise they are flushed with talent....Cayden Lindstrom, Kent Johnson, Adam Fantili, Cole Sillinger, Luca Del Bel Belluz.....not to mention they have Sean Monahan.

This would be a perfect example of a hockey trade...something along the lines of Willander + 1st for Kent Johnson

First off Kent Johnson is better at the wing. We watch the player he's perfect there. Second off he's on an amazing contract and we are not interested in moving someone like him for futures. He's pretty much a lock at this point for our top 6 so for that to happen it would require an established RHD for us to move.

Now a 1st and Willander might get you Sillinger. Our middle 6 is a bit more greasy especially with our other centers developing. Real talk y'all are looking at the wrong CBJ center. The person you should be taking calls on is Luca Del Bel Belluz. Nobody is looking at this kid but I am telling you something....I see a 2C there in that kid but for the role he needs to play he's getting blocked by Fantilli and Monahan.

 

[wetcoast]

Bennett's agent said he won't play for a Canadian team.

It's a difficult trade to make. What team trades a young top C for futures? It's already a young top C lol.

Also Marner isn't a center and that's the only reason to trade our first and a top prospect.

Having the canes first for Brock sure would have helped our current situation as well.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah, I know D-Pete has been a revelation and Mancini has some promise but I’d be hella scared to trade Willander. Sure as hell wouldn’t deal him for Barzal, let alone add a 1st to him.

He’s going to be a stud, and unless I’m getting a premium U24 possible PPG center coming back, I don’t think Vancouver would be smart to entertain it.

Of course, he’s the guy every poster is going to add to their proposals. That’s fun.

Exactly but I would trade Mancini is a New york minute he just doesn't have the hockey sense to match the skills, let someone else overpay for him.

If we are trading Willander and a first it better be a very good center coming back.

 

[UrbanImpact]

First off Kent Johnson is better at the wing. We watch the player he's perfect there. Second off he's on an amazing contract and we are not interested in moving someone like him for futures. He's pretty much a lock at this point for our top 6 so for that to happen it would require an established RHD for us to move.

Now a 1st and Willander might get you Sillinger. Our middle 6 is a bit more greasy especially with our other centers developing. Real talk y'all are looking at the wrong CBJ center. The person you should be taking calls on is Luca Del Bel Belluz. Nobody is looking at this kid but I am telling you something....I see a 2C there in that kid but for the role he needs to play he's getting blocked by Fantilli and Monahan.

Tom Willander on an ELC playing Top 4 and already being better than Fabbro and or Gubdranson would be equally as good of a value contract as Kent Johnson.


I also really like Luca for a while now and would be happy if he was the one we traded for. ( it would also cost less than 1st and Willander)

but im not so sure he is ready for 2C role which is exactly what we need as we have 2 years to build a team for Quinn Hughes.

 

[Diogenes92]

The problem there is you can't fire the owner.

And he owns the entire area where the stadium is located, along with condos. If he ever decided to sell, it could possibly turn into a relocation situation, or the new owner having to shell out for a brand new stadium or pay a crazy lease on the property.

I think Canucks fans are stuck with a known meddler of an owner, unforntunately.

 

[Castle8130]

13th-15th oa + Willander would be a heck of a package. That should net them a pretty good 2C

 

[Rusty8719]

He's a good player but i think he is a 3C -2C Tweener.

Not what the Canucks are looking for unless they really think he can blossom into a 2C.

I dont think he is worth a 1st and top prospect though.


2nd round pick + Kiril Kudryavsev

Pinto is a tweener and he absolute goes for a mid 1st.

 

[Indy18]

Tom Willander on an ELC playing Top 4 and already being better than Fabbro and or Gubdranson would be equally as good of a value contract as Kent Johnson.


I also really like Luca for a while now and would be happy if he was the one we traded for. ( it would also cost less than 1st and Willander)

but im not so sure he is ready for 2C role which is exactly what we need as we have 2 years to build a team for Quinn Hughes.

Why I dropped LDBB's name. It would be cheaper and he has the high roll potential for your 2C while you can bank the 1st elsewhere.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Dhaliwal on his Donnie and Dhali show today said that he is hearing that the Canucks have already engaged in trade conversations with teams in regards to trading their 2025 1st round pick by draft day. He adds that the Canucks are also willing to attach one of their top prospects in order to get a very good young 2C back as a return. Finally he said that D-petey, Elias Pettersson, is the only prospect that is deemed untouchable. He mentions that the team is also very high and excited about Victor Mancini which may have allowed them to be more open to moving recent 1st round draft pick and stud D prospect, Tom Willander.

Looks like the Canucks will pick somewhere around 13th-15th overall.

Top Prospects:
Jonathan Lekkerimaki
Victor Mancini
Tom Willander
Sawyer Mynio
Arshdeep Bains
Kiril Kudryavstev
Danila Klimovich


Canucks also have picks in every round this year and all picks next year except their 3rd and 7th.

What trade do you predict this off-season...... Canucks 1st + Willander for? .......

Some names that were discussed in the show ( not part of the rumor but just part of the discussion)

Barzal
Kent Johnson
Cole Sillinger
Marco Kasper
Marco Rossi
Trevor Zegras
Mason Mctavish


There was also a discussion expressing this would be all moot if the Canucks can get a sense that they can sign someone like Sam Bennet, or Mitch Marner.

Zegras be good fit in Vancouver

 

[Castle8130]

13th-15th oa + Willander would be a heck of a package. That should net them a pretty good 2C

Comparable values would be;

Kent Jonson
Gabe Vilardi
Connor Mcmichael
William Eklund
Marco Rossi
Matty Beniers
Anton Lundell
Mason Mctavish
Wyatt Johnston



Some of these you'd have to add more to the package, but I think all these players would be considered targets for Vancouver

 

[UrbanImpact]

Pinto is a tweener and he absolute goes for a mid 1st.

Mid 1st , sure.......mid 1st + top prospect like Willander or Lekkerimaki. No Thanks.

 

[Rusty8719]

Mid 1st , sure.......mid 1st + top prospect like Willander or Lekkerimaki. No Thanks.

Agreed

 

[Breakers]

Dumbest owner on history

Blows my mind how stupid Tortellini is

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

so they are looking to get a very good young 2c for the same price that rental brock nelson went for? good luck finding that when half the league is also looking for a 2nd line center

I'm sure people would think this, if they had no context or knowledge at all, congratulations on being so ill informed.

 

[Vector]

@UrbanImpact Can you link and time stamp where Dhaliwal said this? I went through the show and podcast, once each, and couldn't find this.

 

[Breakers]

Bennett's agent said he won't play for a Canadian team.

It's a difficult trade to make. What team trades a young top C for futures? It's already a young top C lol.

Where did Darren Ferris say this ?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

First off Kent Johnson is better at the wing. We watch the player he's perfect there. Second off he's on an amazing contract and we are not interested in moving someone like him for futures. He's pretty much a lock at this point for our top 6 so for that to happen it would require an established RHD for us to move.

Now a 1st and Willander might get you Sillinger. Our middle 6 is a bit more greasy especially with our other centers developing. Real talk y'all are looking at the wrong CBJ center. The person you should be taking calls on is Luca Del Bel Belluz. Nobody is looking at this kid but I am telling you something....I see a 2C there in that kid but for the role he needs to play he's getting blocked by Fantilli and Monahan.

A 1st + Willander might get us Sillinger? Lmao, I've truly seen it all.

 

[Doublechin]

Comparable values would be;

Kent Jonson
Gabe Vilardi
Connor Mcmichael
William Eklund
Marco Rossi
Matty Beniers
Anton Lundell
Mason Mctavish
Wyatt Johnston



Some of these you'd have to add more to the package, but I think all these players would be considered targets for Vancouver

Wyatt Johnston?

You think there's a shot Dallas trades him? For anything that isn't a collosal overpayment?

I'd give Slafkovsky and our firsts (16,17 as of now) for him with my eyes closed if he's available

 

[UrbanImpact]

@UrbanImpact Can you link and time stamp where Dhaliwal said this? I went through the show and podcast, once each, and couldn't find this.

Was in the car listening but i didnt start the show on time. They were talking about the Dallas comeback though so i know it was today. I think it was before the Boston U play by play came on for an interview. I'll check too when i get home.

 

[DJJones]

Comparable values would be;

Kent Jonson
Gabe Vilardi
Connor Mcmichael
William Eklund
Marco Rossi
Matty Beniers
Anton Lundell
Mason Mctavish
Wyatt Johnston



Some of these you'd have to add more to the package, but I think all these players would be considered targets for Vancouver

I don't think a first and Wallander gets you anywhere close to those players.

 

[NyQuil]

Shane Pinto has done nothing to show that his value is worth 2 1st round picks which is what that offer is.

Canucks need to target a young 2c capable of scoring around 50-60 points a season, and more in their prime.

Pinto is a good complimentary player but it would be a huge gamble, no pun intended, to bet on him becoming a 2C.

If Ottawa wants to sell him for less than a 1st and Lekkerimaki then id be interested.

I don’t want to sell him at all.

Two way guy, good on faceoffs, good PKer, shuts down opposing centres, steals pucks, drives possession.

He might be one of the most improved guys in Ottawa.

 

[crowi]

Canucks are such a joke, so sick of being a fan of this team. Some how, Allvin has does a worse job than Benning. Didn’t think that was possible.

Canucks are definitely a joke, that frankly keeps on giving, but there's no way you can say Allvin (or Rutherford) is doing worse job than Benning.

 

[MoneyManny]

I hear JT Miller is pretty good.