canuck2010
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NCAA vs CIS Championship
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Macman
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DaveG
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As much as I'd love to see it, I think the NCAA champ vs the Memorial Cup champ would be a closer series by a large margin.
Holden Caulfield
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Lol not at all. Cis is better hockey than chl, by a fair margin. In fact this is proven quite often. A group of chl all stars (canada wjc, clearly much much better than any one chl team) loses to ONE single non all star cis team.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/world-juniors/canada-juniors-lose-4-1-to-university-of-alberta-in-exhibition-game/article6276340/?service=mobile
Macman
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That's a rarity in the history of Canadian world junior teams playing CIS teams prior to the WJC. The record is heavily tilted in the juniors favour.
Holden Caulfield
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Still. This is an all-star team of the 60 plus teams. One chl team has zero chance against a cis team.
Macman
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What kind of comparison is this, 23 year olds against 18 year olds...
The CHL is the top NHL feeder, the CIS is a pipeline that European leagues should look into more...
The idea of CIS vs NCAA games isn't too bad, I'm thinking preseason friendlies if they don't already do that. Maybe an unranked NCAA team vs a CIS powerhouse, good scout tape for European scouts.
It's typical for an average skilled overager to dominate the CHL. The CIS is loaded with guys like these. The difference in age is significant.
They do. My school played a game each years vs a CIS team. We were d3 and usually beat the Quebec teams 5-2 6-3 etc
Holden Caulfield
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Yeah I do. I just posted it. An all-star team of the 60+ teams is at best equal to any one CIS team. A CIS team would crush any CHL team.
I'm not the one who brought it up. Someone had stated CHL team would be more competitive to NCAA than CIS. That's quite simply false in every respect. CIS teams are much much better teams than CHL teams.
Macman
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As is the skill gap between top CHLers and top CIS players, who after all are mostly former run-of-the-mill CHLers or even ex-Junior A guys. The age gap is even bigger in the NHL yet every year young players have tremendous impacts. I have a hard time believing a team as quick and skilled as the London Knights would have "zero chance" of beating a CIS team, as had been suggested here. Teams would win and lose on either side but to me the pace alone of a CHL game is noticeably quicker.
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The Edmonton Oilers rookies routinely have difficulty beating the UofA Golden Bears. I think CIS teams will be just fine
Macman
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CHL <<<<<CIS<<NCAA
But the top teams in CIS would fare pretty well in the NCAA depending on the conference. Not the same quality as the top teams though. There is a considerable difference between the top NCAA teams and top CHL teams. One only needs to watch a few minutes in each league to realize this. A below average/middle tier big 10 team/Hockey East team would be on top of any of the CHL leagues. Though talents like Marner and Strome would still be a fair bit above ppg in NCAA.
But the top teams in CIS would fare pretty well in the NCAA depending on the conference. Not the same quality as the top teams though. There is a considerable difference between the top NCAA teams and top CHL teams. One only needs to watch a few minutes in each league to realize this. A below average/middle tier big 10 team/Hockey East team would be on top of any of the CHL leagues. Though talents like Marner and Strome would still be a fair bit above ppg in NCAA.
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I don't think this could happen as most CIS players got some kind of money back when they were in junior so playing them ruin the NCAA's players amateur eligibility. CIS plays NCAA in exhibitions so maybe those don't count or I could be 100% wrong.
Top CIS teams like Alberta and UNB probably could be competitive with most NCAA teams but everyone else in the CIS is probably inferior to most NCAA teams.
Top CIS teams like Alberta and UNB probably could be competitive with most NCAA teams but everyone else in the CIS is probably inferior to most NCAA teams.
There actually were a series of games between the NCAA and CIA (or CIAU as it was known at the time) in the late 90s.
The first game was in April 1997 in Detroit between the top US-born players of the NCAA and the top Canadians of the CIS (both wore national team jerseys). Canada won 5-4 in OT after tying the game with 1 second left. Tim Thomas played goal for the US.
The rematch the following year saw the NCAA use a mix of US and Canadian players, winning 3-1.
From 1999-2001 the series shifted to a two-game series with Canada winning twice and US once.
Attendance wasn't impressive and the event never really took off. Today it's hard to find any information about it online.
The first game was in April 1997 in Detroit between the top US-born players of the NCAA and the top Canadians of the CIS (both wore national team jerseys). Canada won 5-4 in OT after tying the game with 1 second left. Tim Thomas played goal for the US.
The rematch the following year saw the NCAA use a mix of US and Canadian players, winning 3-1.
From 1999-2001 the series shifted to a two-game series with Canada winning twice and US once.
Attendance wasn't impressive and the event never really took off. Today it's hard to find any information about it online.
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This is probably the best post I've seen yet. I don't care who makes the Memorial Cup in Red Deer this May. If you put any one of those CHL teams against a top 6 NCAA team like Quinnipiac, North Dakota, St. Cloud, Michigan (with Connor, Motte, Werenski, JT Compher) the NCAA team would win easily. I like what you pointed out Wings5 about the top lines on one of the top CHL teams. They'd be able to create some offense but after the top 2 or 3 guys on any CHL team it would be a big dropoff and they wouldn't be able to hang for a full 60. You're average CIS team doesn't have kids that were the most skilled in the CHL, so the talent dropoff is bad compared to the NCAA as well. That's why there are considerably more players that move on to the NHL from the NCAA than the CIS.
Not entirely sure how many other teams do it, but I know Acadia University routinely goes down and plays NCAA teams in exhibition games. They lost 4-2 to BU this year and beat Vermont 2-1.
UNB played Boston College this year and won 5-2 and then lost 3-2 to UMass-Lowell.
StFX lost to Merrimack 4-1 and then University of New Hampshire 6-4.
STU who won 2 games all year lost to Quinnipiac 3-1.
Now I don't know what teams played which players, but the AUS teams appear to at least be competitive with the NCAA teams. (AUS is arguably the best league in the CIS).
The Alberta Golden Bears beat Minnesota State 3-2 and lost to St. Cloud 6-2.
I think the CIS and NCAA teams are closer than many think, but the NCAA does have more high end talent (a lot more) playing in their league. While the top CIS teams do have players that were drafted, there is a reason they are playing CIS and not professional.
UNB played Boston College this year and won 5-2 and then lost 3-2 to UMass-Lowell.
StFX lost to Merrimack 4-1 and then University of New Hampshire 6-4.
STU who won 2 games all year lost to Quinnipiac 3-1.
Now I don't know what teams played which players, but the AUS teams appear to at least be competitive with the NCAA teams. (AUS is arguably the best league in the CIS).
The Alberta Golden Bears beat Minnesota State 3-2 and lost to St. Cloud 6-2.
I think the CIS and NCAA teams are closer than many think, but the NCAA does have more high end talent (a lot more) playing in their league. While the top CIS teams do have players that were drafted, there is a reason they are playing CIS and not professional.
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Just curious what are the NTDP under 18 and under 20's teams record against NCAA competition?
I remember reading somewhere they played well against NCAA teams.
I remember reading somewhere they played well against NCAA teams.
Just ran through this year's schedule/results. CIS teams went 8-39-3 against the NCAA in exhibitions. NTDP was 7-5-2 vs NCAA.
I've reffed NCAA, CHL and Canadian college teams that come to play NCAA teams and it's not close. NCAA would win easy. Lots of talent in the CHL though.
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Yeah the NTDP U-18 team gives them a run for their money on any given night. Some games they get beat 6-2 and what not but usually its very close. Last year the U-18 team beat Minnesota who was the #1 team in the country at the time. Now that U-18 team was loaded (Auston Matthews, Tkachuck, McAvoy, Kunin...) There's also USHL teams that beat the U-18's also. Next years NTDP U-17 team from the 2000 birth year will be loaded offensively, if that group stays together and plays as the U-18 team they will be one of the better teams in junior hockey. There is a rumor there might be some talks in the works between the USHL and CHL with doing some "border battles" in the coming years hopefully. That'd be interesting to see.
I'll say I think the best USHL team would not beat the best CHL team, but beyond the top teams it'd be very close.The USHL loses it's best 18-19 year olds to the NCAA every year unlike the CHL who unless they make the NHL keeps it's best older players until they turn 20. Anyway, I'd really like to see the NTDP U-18 team on any given year play a random 5 CHL teams.
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