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I guess I should say for all of my skepticism on Colorado as a season play, I do have money on them today. Just the points. Zero money line $. TCU shouldn't be laying 21 on almost anyone.

Definitely watching for in-game TCU opportunities. These high opinion games can move lines in a hurry.

Mr Black said:
Why does the scoreboard graphic in the TCU Col game take up half the screen?
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It's the new FOX scorebug. Everyone hates it.
 
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The entire left side of Colorado’s line looked like ESP acting out his fantasies on that FG. These are the things that will crush them later in the year.

Travis Hunter is going to want to play WR and the NFL is going to try to talk him out of it.
 
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I don't think Prime 'changing everything' in college football is that far fetched so long as he sticks it out in Colorado. Kids are going to want to play for him giving how many he got to come to Jackson State and then follow him out to Boulder. If it comes to pass that he needs to keep being paid, he will be worth it not just to the school but for the Big 12, because Colorado will be in positon to be their crown jewel program like Texas was and Clemson is for the ACC.
 
GKJ said:
I don't think Prime 'changing everything' in college football is that far fetched so long as he sticks it out in Colorado. Kids are going to want to play for him giving how many he got to come to Jackson State and then follow him out to Boulder. If it comes to pass that he needs to keep being paid, he will be worth it not just to the school but for the Big 12, because Colorado will be in positon to be their crown jewel program like Texas was and Clemson is for the ACC.
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What does this look like to you? Are we talking a top 25 team? 9 wins but on that hard plateau? A chalk Natty pick?

For what it’s worth, I’m a Georgia fan who has been saying for 2 years that I won’t believe they’re on the Bama tier until they do it without Monken. Teams jump up. But there’s Bama and Ohio St and then there’s everyone else because they’ve done it through the coaching churn. You still have to prove you’re not Clemson. Hell, Penn St is treated as an afterthought in CFB because ESPN only gives a shit about the playoff. That’s a phenomenal program.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
What does this look like to you? Are we talking a top 25 team? 9 wins but on that hard plateau? A chalk Natty pick?

For what it’s worth, I’m a Georgia fan who has been saying for 2 years that I won’t believe they’re on the Bama tier until they do it without Monken. Teams jump up. But there’s Bama and Ohio St and then there’s everyone else because they’ve done it through the coaching churn. You still have to prove you’re not Clemson. Hell, Penn St is treated as an afterthought in CFB because ESPN only gives a shit about the playoff. That’s a phenomenal program.
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For Georgia, with or without Monken, if you're there, you're there. You're not less because you're not for the time that you are there. No one's won the CFP twice in a row. Every school needs great coaches as assistants, that's why Alabama keeps bringing in guys who used to be head coach and could be somewhere else if they wanted to be. They've made the playoff 3 times. Only 4 schools have been there more and only 2 schools have more wins, and 1 has a better winning percentage (because LSU only made it in once).

Penn State - they are capable of being top 10-15 program consistently, because they can be 3rd or 4th in the Big Ten. But they don't beat Michigan, they beat Ohio State even less. They thought beating Auburn was accomplishing something because it's Big Ten vs. SEC, but it didn't because Auburn was burning down. There's even a level in the middle they don't hit where you can't even line them up with the LSU's because at least they can break through. The biggest reason is really because James Franklin is a hideous game day coach.

I don't know what Colorado will be right now, but the Pac 12 sucks, and they may not have the team 1-80, but they do have top end talent that will establish that high end recruits should want to play for Prime given how many transferred.
 
GKJ said:
For Georgia, with or without Monken, if you're there, you're there. You're not less because you're not for the time that you are there. No one's won the CFP twice in a row. Every school needs great coaches as assistants, that's why Alabama keeps bringing in guys who used to be head coach and could be somewhere else if they wanted to be. They've made the playoff 3 times. Only 4 schools have been there more and only 2 schools have more wins, and 1 has a better winning percentage (because LSU only made it in once).

Penn State - they are capable of being top 10-15 program consistently, because they can be 3rd or 4th in the Big Ten. But they don't beat Michigan, they beat Ohio State even less. They thought beating Auburn was accomplishing something because it's Big Ten vs. SEC, but it didn't because Auburn was burning down. There's even a level in the middle they don't hit where you can't even line them up with the LSU's because at least they can break through. The biggest reason is really because James Franklin is a hideous game day coach.

I don't know what Colorado will be right now, but the Pac 12 sucks, and they may not have the team 1-80, but they do have top end talent that will establish that high end recruits should want to play for Prime given how many transferred.
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The #1 recruiting class in history blew 3 tires last year on their way to 5 wins. It really just isn’t that simple. A mediocre but well-coached season for Colorado this year would be massively impressive to me. I’m totally open to that and would welcome it. Folsom Field is my favorite stadium in CFB. Hell, I took it in the Quackverse. I want a good Colorado.

Penn St could beat Michigan every year and still have absolutely no prayer outside of random variance against Bama and Ohio St in a playoff setting. The country is coalescing around the playoff structure. From a tv standpoint, Texas and Oklahoma and Penn St and the like will always be valuable. But that’s where Georgia and Clemson belong until they complete multiple cycles. The results of one close playoff game here and there are not how you determine who floats above that line. Hell, one borderline penalty difference last year in the semi and we’re not having this discussion.

LegionOfDoom91 said:
They lost a lot off last years team & they don’t recruit well enough to mitigate it (really nobody does sans like the Alabama, Ohio State, & Georgia’s of the world). If they can get to 8-9 wins that should be considered a success for them.
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This and also Kendall Briles has no interest in adapting.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
The #1 recruiting class in history blew 3 tires last year on their way to 5 wins. It really just isn’t that simple. A mediocre but well-coached season for Colorado this year would be massively impressive to me. I’m totally open to that and would welcome it. Folsom Field is my favorite stadium in CFB. Hell, I took it in the Quackverse. I want a good Colorado.

Penn St could beat Michigan every year and still have absolutely no prayer outside of random variance against Bama and Ohio St in a playoff setting. The country is coalescing around the playoff structure. From a tv standpoint, Texas and Oklahoma and Penn St and the like will always be valuable. But that’s where Georgia and Clemson belong until they complete multiple cycles. The results of one close playoff game here and there are not how you determine who floats above that line. Hell, one borderline penalty difference last year in the semi and we’re not having this discussion.



This and also Kendall Briles has no interest in adapting.
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I mean, you do have instances where someone making a playoff one time didn't establish them as a top dog program. Not even when LSU won it. Oklahoma getting smoked each time they made it made the Big 12 look bad to the point where they're choosing to leave it.
 
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I mean, you do have instances where someone making a playoff one time didn't establish them as a top dog program. Not even when LSU won it.
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Yes, exactly. Most of the time it doesn’t.

Clemson is the illustrative case. They were stuck in QB purgatory. Then Watson into Bryant into Lawrence meant the offense was fine no matter what. The defense hinged on a unique genius who finally got a gig good enough to leave. Dabo’s still there recruiting his annoying ass off. It just doesn’t matter.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
Yes, exactly. Most of the time it doesn’t.

Clemson is the illustrative case. They were stuck in QB purgatory. Then Watson into Bryant into Lawrence meant the offense was fine no matter what. The defense hinged on a unique genius who finally got a gig good enough to leave. Dabo’s still there recruiting his annoying ass off. It just doesn’t matter.
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Clemson got it together later in the season last year. They're still recruiting 5-star QB's consistently, as long as those guys are real, they will be in it.
 
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