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Now we get to find out if “new evidence” comes to light.

Houston, like Gonzaga, plays to easy of a schedule in conference.
 
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Well, that destroys my bracket. I was doing pretty good, but losing Bama and Houston in the Sweet Sixteen? Woof.

I still have Gonzaga winning it all, but my F4 is all gone otherwise. Texas is the highest seed left at #2. Has there ever been a tournament where none of the 1 seeds made the E8?
 
Navin R Slavin said:
Well, that destroys my bracket. I was doing pretty good, but losing Bama and Houston in the Sweet Sixteen? Woof.

I still have Gonzaga winning it all, but my F4 is all gone otherwise. Texas is the highest seed left at #2. Has there ever been a tournament where none of the 1 seeds made the E8?
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No. There has only been 1 FF without a 1 seed. In 2006 the last 1 seed lost in the E8 game. History has been made this year
 
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It’s perhaps a one off (and this won’t happen in FB due to roster sizes), but NIL and teams from Conferences flush with cash (cough B10 & SEC) were supposed to dominate in this new free for all transfer/NIL world (well Miami did buy a bunch of players).

Yet we have ACC with 1 and SEC & B10 with 0 left and in a strange way I find it refreshing.

Perhaps accounts for ratings bump too.
 
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chaz4hockey said:
It’s perhaps a one off (and this won’t happen in FB due to roster sizes), but NIL and teams from Conferences flush with cash (cough B10 & SEC) were supposed to dominate in this new free for all transfer/NIL world (well Miami did buy a bunch of players).

Yet we have ACC with 1 and SEC & B10 with 0 left and in a strange way I find it refreshing.

Perhaps accounts for ratings bump too.
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Nothing will change the ability for cinderallas to get big wins in the tournament unless they bar them. 1 player/ matchups / experience can change a game. Duke was filled with freshmen and one sophomore. Tennessee knew they could muck up the game and the young group had no idea how to handle it.

The only thing the NIL does is allow these bigger schools to “convince” these older players from smaller schools who have developed into good players to finish out their last year(s) at their school.
 
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Gocanes0506 said:
Nothing will change the ability for cinderallas to get big wins in the tournament unless they bar them. 1 player/ matchups / experience can change a game. Duke was filled with freshmen and one sophomore. Tennessee knew they could muck up the game and the young group had no idea how to handle it.

The only thing the NIL does is allow these bigger schools to “convince” these older players from smaller schools who have developed into good players to finish out their last year(s) at their school.
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You are selling it short.

NIL $ will accomplish three key things and differentiate a program. (Btw: I’m in the camp that over time the big money programs will separate themselves from the pack):

1) Attract top HS talent to enroll (there was always under the table $ ie duke, but now it is legit).
2) Retain your key players year over year
3) Get players from other D1 programs via transfer.

Timely article in WSJ re: Miami:
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Miami Boosters Splashed the Cash—and the Hurricanes Have Two Teams in the Elite Eight

The Hurricanes high profile men’s and women’s basketball transfers who signed lucrative endorsements in the offseason are now key contributors in March.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
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chaz4hockey said:
You are selling it short.

NIL $ will accomplish three key things and differentiate a program. (Btw: I’m in the camp that over time the big money programs will separate themselves from the pack):

1) Attract top HS talent to enroll (there was always under the table $ ie duke, but now it is legit)
2) Retain your key players year over year
3) Get players from other D1 programs via transfer.
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I don’t think Im selling anything short. The top players were always going to bigger schools so nothing is new there.

Players aren’t retained that weren’t going to be retained. Top talent leaves for the league even to be a 2nd round pick. Which has happened for a long time.

Number 3 is the only real difference because it happens so much more.
 
Gocanes0506 said:
I don’t think Im selling anything short. The top players were always going to bigger schools so nothing is new there.

Players aren’t retained that weren’t going to be retained. Top talent leaves for the league even to be a 2nd round pick. Which has happened for a long time.

Number 3 is the only real difference because it happens so much more.
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Well, we will disagree then.

Miami has never been a top BB program but yet are thriving in the NIL era. If anything, the traditional big-time BB schools, ie Carolina, have to step up their game to match $ with likes of Auburn, Alabama & others that were never BB heavyweights in all 3 facets I mention.

The game has changed and even though top players will continue to leave for the League, the next level down of contributors that fill out a competitive roster are looking for annual NIL payments to stay on the roster.
 
chaz4hockey said:
Well, we will disagree then.

Miami has never been a top BB program but yet are thriving in the NIL era. If anything, the traditional big-time BB schools, ie Carolina, have to step up their game to match $ with likes of Auburn, Alabama & others that were never BB heavyweights in all 3 facets I mention.

The game has changed and even though top players will continue to leave for the League, the next level down of contributors that fill out a competitive roster are looking for annual NIL payments to stay on the roster.
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Miami hasn’t done anything more during NIL than before. Larranaga has built them up after Haith was an awful experiment.

But basing the proof that NIL based on a 2 year run by Miami seems premature. Miami did have 3 sweet sixteen runs before the NIL. Lets see if Miami can sustain this after their roster leaves.

SEC’s rise in basketball was well before NIL. After the SEC started getting very large football TV deals, more schools than just Kentucky started putting serious money in basketball, softball and baseball

If NIL was a deciding factor large universities like UGA would be great at getting top players or transfers.
 
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Gocanes0506 said:
Miami hasn’t done anything more during NIL than before. Larranaga has built them up after Haith was an awful experiment.

But basing the proof that NIL based on a 2 year run by Miami seems premature. Miami did have 3 sweet sixteen runs before the NIL. Lets see if Miami can sustain this after their roster leaves.

SEC’s rise in basketball was well before NIL. After the SEC started getting very large football TV deals, more schools than just Kentucky started putting serious money in basketball, softball and baseball

If NIL was a deciding factor large universities like UGA would be great at getting top players or transfers.
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I was going to say, Miami would be a bad example. They're a team that's been a solid program very recently that embraced NIL. So either they were paying players to start with and this is just a continuation of that (which... I mean possible cause Miami) or they have a very good coach that knew how to adapt to the new landscape.

I can see people looking at Bama or Arkansas as evidence of possible NIL impact but those are also schools that made very savvy coach hirings that had been through down periods with their programs.

Watching how mid-majors fall off is going to be where I'm focusing. Nova isn't a good barometer because 1 - the Big East is still probably about the 4th or 5th best conference in the country for basketball and 2 - they went from Jay Wright to a guys whos' only other HC experience was going 500 in one year at Fordham. But if we start going from a half dozen mid-major at-large bids to maybe 1 or 2 per year that's going to be pretty telling.
 
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Too bad, I was rooting for K-State.

I think FAU is the first 9-seed to the FF ever. On another note FAU has only been to one other tournament.
 
DaveG said:
I was going to say, Miami would be a bad example. They're a team that's been a solid program very recently that embraced NIL. So either they were paying players to start with and this is just a continuation of that (which... I mean possible cause Miami) or they have a very good coach that knew how to adapt to the new landscape.

I can see people looking at Bama or Arkansas as evidence of possible NIL impact but those are also schools that made very savvy coach hirings that had been through down periods with their programs.

Watching how mid-majors fall off is going to be where I'm focusing. Nova isn't a good barometer because 1 - the Big East is still probably about the 4th or 5th best conference in the country for basketball and 2 - they went from Jay Wright to a guys whos' only other HC experience was going 500 in one year at Fordham. But if we start going from a half dozen mid-major at-large bids to maybe 1 or 2 per year that's going to be pretty telling.
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I think NIL in college basketball is going to be surprising. I’ve noted before I don’t think it’s going to help programs like Kentucky who have relied on getting players who want to go NBA ASAP. NIL will lose out to a good NBA rookie contract.

On the other side, huge TV contracts can’t be used for NIL. The power conferences will be using NIL $$ from boosters for football, especially in the SEC and B1G. Does this provide an NIL advantage to programs who either don’t have or don’t focus on football?

I can see NIL returning the Big East to its former glory. All of those programs have no football program (or in UConn’s case an afterthought independent program) and can focus most of their NIL on men’s basketball. And a lot of them have boosters from their glory days who will put money into NIL.

How does it impact mid majors? I think the basketball first conferences (A10, MVC, WCC) have an opportunity to focus NIL on basketball players and could have an advantage. The FBS football conferences (MAC, MWC, C-USA) may have more difficult decisions to make with NIL funds.
 
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NIL only made what was already happening in basketball publicly known. There isn’t a large increase in money going to players now at big schools. It was already there.
 
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HisIceness said:
Too bad, I was rooting for K-State.

I think FAU is the first 9-seed to the FF ever. On another note FAU has only been to one other tournament.
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here's a shocker: Wichita State did it in 2013. First 9 seed after the tourney expanded to 64+ to do so. I think there was one before that as well but don't know what the tourney format was at the time, it was pre 64 team though (Penn 79)
 
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No FF for a Nebraska based school.

Creighton will dispute it but that was a clear foul by the Creighton defender. Also the Creighton inbound passer appeared to step over the line.
 
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