NBA Lessons For The NHL

Interesting and unsettling how much of this could be equally applied to the NHL.


Good video.
I agree with most of it but I think they left out the elephant in the room.
If I mention it I think the moderators will delete this post.
So let me say that the NBA is having the same issues that Hollywood is having today.
You can't give the middle finger to half of your fans and then wonder why they stop watching?

As for the NHL, for the most part they did not do this so it is not as much as an issue.
Reducing physicality in hockey is keeping players healthier but it is taking the "hate and rivalry" out of the game.

I miss the battle/war of AB in the 80/90s.
I miss the Tor/Bos hatred.
MTL/Que hate was awesome to watch in the 80's and 90's
Bos/Mtl in the 70's.
Philly against anyone they were playing in the 80s
These were not PO series or regular season games, theses were declarations of war.
The NHL no longer has this.
 
I agree entirely. The NBA has carved its games up between streamers so extensively that it's basically become pay-per-view. Don't get me started on the ridiculous premium you have to pay in Canada if you want to watch a team other than the Raptors.

The NBA deserves the decline, and let it be a lesson to the NHL.
Even Lebron James himself was caught illegally streaming an NBA game on his laptop while sitting courtside.

It's just SO MUCH MORE convenient to use than even the legitimate options these days. No lag, 4k stream after 2 clicks, all the games on the same service. Beats having 5 different paid apps and still get blackouts.
 
The NBA hasn't been able to make Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Doncic, Embiid, Tatum, etc. generation feel like "Mahomes vs Allen vs Jackson vs Burrow". Maybe it's declining interest in NBA for other reasons, too many internationals, bad luck with them not facing each other a lot in the playoffs, but it just doesn't quite feel right as a hierarchy, Mahomes "feels" more right calling right the "1 guy" of his sport than Jokic. Overall the storyline of this era just isn't coming together that dramatic for people with Jokic and Giannis getting their 1 title by the middle of their prime without having to through each other compared to what we saw in the NFL this year with two guys in Allen and Jackson battling each other for the chance to break through and then the reward for Allen being to take on Mahomes after getting owned by him for years.
 
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NBA has a ton of issues:
-3pt spamming
-arbitrary foul calls
-star driven league (not necessarily a bad thing but stars have too much power, too little loyalty and this creates bandwagon fans or “fans of player”, and it becomes a league of a handful of individuals with teams taking a back seat). More than ever it seems stars are on an island with the whole “brand” thing
-no defense, no intensity, no rivalries
-the same few plays like pick and roll or whatever spammed at the top of the key

ETA: it just feels like a social media league
 
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The NBA problems feel like a perfect storm. They waded full force into the culture wars and lost on a host of issues from defund the police, to BLM, etc. In addition their stars and faces of the league, from Lebron to Steve Kerr sold completely out to one side of the political aisle and very clearly told large portions of their fan base that they did not want their support. Shockingly telling the majority of your fan base that you don't want their attendance or viewership has consequences. When that is combined with an increasingly boring and soft product without legit universal stars it is a recipe for implosion.

Fortunately the NHL managed to dodge a lot of this at the last second. Dropping the "month" jerseys and steering away from political hot button issues managed to make them an alternative for people who just wanted entertainment. In addition, the NHL's refusal to properly promote their stars has meant that they managed to retain the team's importance above the player so team loyalty has better survived in the era of Free Agents. Also, quite frankly the NHL retains a men's culture of unselfishness, toughness and sacrifice that the NBA lost decades ago and as that culture grows in relevance (i.e. rise of MMA, elevation of football, etc.) the NHL is better positioned to ride that wave then get swamped by it.

All that sits on top of the fact that the rise in scoring and the method of scoring now means every possession is less important and less relevant even in close games. While the number of competitive games dwindles because players organize and choose to play together via UFA. And finally the fact that paying fans never know if they will actually get to see star players, because they have so many rest days, is insane. All problems that the NHL has managed to avoid due to its culture.
 
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The NBA problems feel like a perfect storm. They waded full force into the culture wars and lost on a host of issues from defund the police, to BLM, etc. In addition their stars and faces of the league, from Lebron to Steve Kerr sold completely out to one side of the political aisle and very clearly told large portions of their fan base that they did not want their support. Shockingly telling the majority of your fan base that you don't want their attendance or viewership has consequences. When that is combined with an increasingly boring and soft product without legit universal stars it is a recipe for implosion.

Fortunately the NHL managed to dodge a lot of this at the last second. Dropping the "month" jerseys and steering away from political hot button issues managed to make them an alternative for people who just wanted entertainment. In addition, the NHL's refusal to properly promote their stars has meant that they managed to retain the team's importance above the player so team loyalty has better survived in the era of Free Agents. Also, quite frankly the NHL retains a men's culture of unselfishness, toughness and sacrifice that the NBA lost decades ago and as that culture grows in relevance (i.e. rise of MMA, elevation of football, etc.) the NHL is better positioned to ride that wave then get swamped by it.

All that sits on top of the fact that the rise in scoring and the method of scoring now means every possession is less important and less relevant even in close games. While the number of competitive games dwindles because players organize and choose to play together via UFA. And finally the fact that paying fans never know if they will actually get to see star players, because they have so many rest days, is insane. All problems that the NHL has managed to avoid due to its culture.
Well said.
There are consequences when you tell half your fan base to take a hike because you do not like their politics. The entertainment and sports industries have seem to have forgotten they thrive as a escape for average people. Once you put politics into your product you WILL alienate at lease half of your fan base and remove the most important reason why people watch and care. I'll never go to a movie theater again. I will never watch an NBA game again. I simply do not care anymore. Apathy is the greatest danger to professional sports today. The NHL has not pissed me off yet so I remain a fan but they better learn the lessons that the NBA and NFL are now learning.
 
Biggest issue with the NHL (other than it being impossible to watch and piracy being the best way to watch it) is how few games are played between rivals. Why the hell does Montreal play Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto 3, 4, and 4 times respectively? Why are we not still doing the 8 games between rivals? Why do I need to see Montreal play at home and away against Seattle?
When the schedule featured 8 games against division rivals, big road draws like Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. would appear in Western Conference rinks once every 3 years. To correct that, the league decided every team should play in every rink at least once every season.

I can see both sides of the argument, but 8 games per season against each team in the division became boring. "We're playing them again? Yawn."

The league has too many teams to resolve this problem to everyone's satisfaction. And you can be certain that the NHL won't be content until franchises are in Hou$ton, Atlanta (3rd time'$ the charm!), and Phoenix (ju$t need a $erious owner!). The scheduling issues will only get worse.
 
Even Lebron James himself was caught illegally streaming an NBA game on his laptop while sitting courtside.

It's just SO MUCH MORE convenient to use than even the legitimate options these days. No lag, 4k stream after 2 clicks, all the games on the same service. Beats having 5 different paid apps and still get blackouts.
where on earth(or on the Internet do you find streams like that?) Ive tried a few times and they stink, filled with maliscious shit, worse than an obschyr website (my neighbour told me :)
But the main problem it often organised crime behind them, making huge amount of money, but i understand people doing it though.

Ps. Pardon my french, i am from the edge of the earth
 
Both sports need to adjust... add hotspots to the game. Occasional spots for 2 point goals or 3 points under the 3 pt line. NBA jam it up
 
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Both sports need to adjust... add hotspots to the game. Occasional spots for 2 point goals or 3 points under the 3 pt line. NBA jam it up

Find a way to bring in slapshots that hit goalies and launch them back into the net for a goal like in the N64 game from back in the day, and make every hit near the benches dump the player being hit into the bench like in NHL24
 
How much do you want to bet that the people complaining about the sports culture wars would be perfectly fine if it was their side being overly represented and the other side being alienated? It's a dishonest argument. Personally, I don't care what an athlete says or does socially or politically because they are human beings with their own opinions. Take a knee or don't wear a Pride jersey, I couldn't care less. But it's the constant discourse and rehashing of the same tired arguments that turns me off. Shut up, watch the game, and don't make it my problem.

As for the topic at hand, I have the same reaction: I don't care what the NBA or NFL does. The NHL should be able to do its own thing without its fans and pundits showing off their inferiority complex. We simultaneously exist in a quantum state of "we don't care what fans of other leagues think" and "why don't fans of other leagues notice us?" The NBA has its own issues to sort out, and I don't want the "star treatment" here.
 
In case the Sabrina avatar didn't give it away, I happen to like three pointers. I don't think that's the problem. All of the three's they shoot nowadays are replacing mid-range jumpers. Threes are more exciting to watch than long twos. There's still plenty of offense inside.

There's just too much of it in the NBA. I watched the Knicks the other night. It ended 143-120. It's hard to feel any sense of drama when the score is like that. And maybe 143 isn't normal, but it's not that far away from normal. It's like having a 10-7 game every night in the NHL. It was fun the first two times. By the time you watch it for the third time in four nights, you're kinda like "this is unserious."

I don't know what can be done. The guys in NBA are just too big and too athletic. The point guards are 6'6" now. They're too f***ing close to the rim. Everyone can dunk effortlessly and everyone can shoot from long-range like they're putting up a free throw. It makes defense impossible.

That's why I primarily watch the women in basketball. You see more post action, playmaking, and defense when the big people are 6'4". The fact that they also chuck threes because that's the meta hasn't been an issue for me.

Nobody would ever accept this as a solution but the rim is too low. They didn't anticipate everyone being 6'9" and moving like a cat when they invented it.

What's the lesson for the NHL? Don't let scoring get completely beyond the pale if you can help it. If anything, they might have to someday do something about these modern sticks that are like rifles, but we're not there yet.
 
But the reality of kids and media these days is that real life sports aren't that interesting. Video games / immersive experiences will be king.
This is boomer adjacent nonsense. The PS2 was the best selling gaming unit ever. And it came out 25 years ago. Video games are nothing new. Revenue is bigger now but it has been big since 2000

The Premier League in the UK is as healthy as ever. As is Formula one. Sports go in cycles
 
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the NBA ratings are crashing as more and more teams just use the analytics driven strategy of spam 3s every possession and hope you make enough to win and star players playing partial schedules for "load management"
 
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NBA lesson to NHL- be basketball league. Second most popular sport in the world sells better than than some niche Canadian/Scandinavian speciality, designated to colder areas and with high barrier of entry if you wanna play it.
 
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I feel like just last year NBA was crushing it in ratings. Perhaps, it's because they had a good partner before in Warner Bros Discovery or perhaps because they moved more games to Amazon Prime

Basically, the NBA got an absurd amount of money to move the games off of TBS/TNT, where they were doing well in TV ratings. I'm sure the NHL would love to replicate this.
 

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