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OT: NBA Discussion Thread: Part III

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Im sure deep down inside Lonzo is as big a turd as his daddy.
Not winning the draft is winning.
Knicks will get a fine player in this draft without the drama.
 
RangerBlues said:
Im sure deep down inside Lonzo is as big a turd as his daddy.
Not winning the draft is winning.
Knicks will get a fine player in this draft without the drama.
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Who knows, the dad has been sucking the oxygen out of whatever room Lonzo has ever been in. I bet you he even got smacked around growing up. I'm thinking the dad has full mental control over him and he wishes he would just let him be

No crazy A+ talents in this draft, lots of A-'s. Knicks will get someone decent but in the grand scheme of things won't move the needle

This is the NWCA after all (Warriors Cavs)
 
I laughed at the Nets when they gave up all those picks for washed up Celtics players. They became an incredibly unlikable team with Williams, Lopez, Terry, Blatche, Pierce and Garnett.

Not laughing anymore at the dynasty they've potentially built for the Celtics. **** them. The Nets should just do everyone a favor and fold.
 
Any chance the big French PG falls to the Knicks here? Can't believe the Celtics (who will, fortunately, get stomped by Lebron for the next couple of years, and then hopefully stomped by GSW) have a better pick than the Knicks. :cry:
 
Chief Ranger said:
DSJ is a pure PG and would fit an immediate need on this team. He's not as good as a prospect as Ball or Fox, but he's going to be a damn good player.
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I loved their draft guide desribing him as a hyper atheletic scorer with (hopeful) player comparisons to Steve Francis or Jeff Teague
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
Any chance the big French PG falls to the Knicks here? Can't believe the Celtics (who will, fortunately, get stomped by Lebron for the next couple of years, and then hopefully stomped by GSW) have a better pick than the Knicks. :cry:
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It's a good chance they can get either Smith or the french kid at PG.

Knowing the Knicks, they'll draft Tatum with 2-3 PGs on the board.
 
Chief Ranger said:
When you think about it, how often do you see a big time upset in the NBA playoffs? The favorites always seem to win.
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except that the Celtics had a major upset on Sunday night - but obviously that's just one game.

I'm fascinated by what the endgame is here. There is zero competitive balance in the league, 90% of teams know they have zero chance (outside of the Cavs or Warriors team plane crashing). But the national ratings are still huge and bring in big money. Local teams may be losing at the gate but they make it up on the national contracts where people watch other teams play.

More and more stars will cluster to existing powerhouses or make a new one. It's going to be more of a joke that it already is competition wise, but they'll still all be doing just fine.

Do the owners force a communist solution like only one top player per team? I don't see how, a lockout will cost them money which is all they care about.
 
GordonGecko said:
except that the Celtics had a major upset on Sunday night - but obviously that's just one game.

I'm fascinated by what the endgame is here. There is zero competitive balance in the league, 90% of teams know they have zero chance (outside of the Cavs or Warriors team plane crashing). But the national ratings are still huge and bring in big money. Local teams may be losing at the gate but they make it up on the national contracts where people watch other teams play.

More and more stars will cluster to existing powerhouses or make a new one. It's going to be more of a joke that it already is competition wise, but they'll still all be doing just fine.

Do the owners force a communist solution like only one top player per team? I don't see how, a lockout will cost them money which is all they care about.
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You've got a couple situations here. There are about 7 teams in "going for it year in and year out" phase. Those are Cleveland, GSW, San Antonio, Boston, LAC, Chicago, Toronto (soon to be changed). Some of those teams aren't even good.

There are teams that are hording picks and drafting players. Those are Philly, Minnesota, Boston (funny they are in both), and now the Kings.

Everyone else is somewhere between this on varying levels from contenders but building a roster correctly (Memphis, Washington, Houston) and teams that have no picks and are bad (Brooklyn, Knicks).

Having 65% of the league thinking they don't have a shot at a title is an issue. In the NHL, there are so many teams that think they're a piece away. Logistically, that may be the case and for some it's harder for the team to get said piece.

The cap system in the NBA makes it so you can have 4 superstars on a team. Needs to become a hard cap. You'll see more parity then.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Having 65% of the league thinking they don't have a shot at a title is an issue.
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Again, how is it an issue? The Knicks fans are still selling out the garden, the Hawks fans are still watching Lebron on TV. Everybody is making money. It's the twilight zone. NBA is no longer sports it's entertainment
 
Its more like 90% have no shot.
And yes the NBA is star driven entertainment.
The NBA does things different.
Either ya get it
or ya dont.
 
GordonGecko said:
Again, how is it an issue? The Knicks fans are still selling out the garden, the Hawks fans are still watching Lebron on TV. Everybody is making money. It's the twilight zone. NBA is no longer sports it's entertainment
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It still infuriates me that Knicks fans still show up to games when the franchise has been an absolute dumpster fire for so long.
 
What's the difference. No one could challenge Jordans Bulls. It's the same thing rn. NBA has always been superstar driven league with lack of parity. It's infuriating since the Knicks should be a marquee spot for stats, but we always end up getting the worst ones.
 
Read an interesting Deadspin article that says max contracts, which are in essence a means to increase parity, have actually destroyed parity. Lebron is worth Mike Trout money, maybe KD is-- would the GSW have KD/Curry/Klay/Draymond if there was no max contract size artificially deflating all contracts?
 
DrRecchi said:
What's the difference. No one could challenge Jordans Bulls. It's the same thing rn. NBA has always been superstar driven league with lack of parity. It's infuriating since the Knicks should be a marquee spot for stats, but we always end up getting the worst ones.
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Bulls, Lakers, Spurs and whatever team LeBron is on has completely dominated the NBA and destroyed parity.
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
Read an interesting Deadspin article that says max contracts, which are in essence a means to increase parity, have actually destroyed parity. Lebron is worth Mike Trout money, maybe KD is-- would the GSW have KD/Curry/Klay/Draymond if there was no max contract size artificially deflating all contracts?
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well, in a free market Lebron commands 50 Million. The Knicks would be able to spend that and have plenty left over to get a couple more stars and a top supporting cast (except that they would fu** it all up but I digress). Portland or Utah would then have no chance at all ever because they wouldn't have the money to compete

The solution is cut the league to 16 teams :)
 


This is a real thing. Nothing about Melo, but trading Porzingis hasn't been ruled out.

If this happens, I think I'll be taking another 5 year hiatus from visiting MSG for a basketball game.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:


This is a real thing. Nothing about Melo, but trading Porzingis hasn't been ruled out.

If this happens, I think I'll be taking another 5 year hiatus from visiting MSG for a basketball game.
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Phil can't be serious. He is the guy they need to start building around. And that starts with trading Carmelo.
 
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