Nazem Kadri - Part 3
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Daisy Jane
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will have to say - i love the kid's chutzpah. he was talking how St. Louis was left WIDE OPEN and he was like "yeah, Berny saved my butt. we looked at the tape, and I saw that I was over-backchecking, but hey! rather overback checking than not backchecking, right?"
true, Nazzy. True.
true, Nazzy. True.
Some people are never happy...
The kid is still growing as a player.
His stats last year during the shortened season were probably a little inflated because of all the low quality of competition offensive zone starts Carlyle fed him.
He's a big boy and he's playing against other big boys, now, so there's an adjustment. He'll be back to that level of production sooner or later because he's got the talent and work ethic.
The kid is still growing as a player.
His stats last year during the shortened season were probably a little inflated because of all the low quality of competition offensive zone starts Carlyle fed him.
He's a big boy and he's playing against other big boys, now, so there's an adjustment. He'll be back to that level of production sooner or later because he's got the talent and work ethic.
Diatomic
Mitch Matthewlander
I was recently looking up at some great players first few years in the NHL, and boy they weren't very pretty. Similar careers to Kadri's at the start and then they blossum.
Example? Patrick Marleau. Drafted 2nd overall yet Didn't have 1 season where he passed 60 points except after his 8th season in the NHL!! 8th!! To top it off, he was averaging 42 points a season for the first 5 seasons in the NHL. Now he's had many 30 goal seasons under his belt and almost 900 points. Keep Kadri, heck keep him till he's 25-27, I want to see what we have here, It could be something very special.
Example? Patrick Marleau. Drafted 2nd overall yet Didn't have 1 season where he passed 60 points except after his 8th season in the NHL!! 8th!! To top it off, he was averaging 42 points a season for the first 5 seasons in the NHL. Now he's had many 30 goal seasons under his belt and almost 900 points. Keep Kadri, heck keep him till he's 25-27, I want to see what we have here, It could be something very special.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Honestly with a Bozak Kadri Bolland punch as are centres I think this team has a solid forward group. Holland can replace an injured centre if it occurs but we can trade Raymond and give his TOI to Holland and slot him as a winger.
I think if Kadri can except being second line centre because he doesn't mesh well with Kessel and if Kadri continues good production and good habits I hope he accepts a good hometown discount I really do.
I think if Kadri can except being second line centre because he doesn't mesh well with Kessel and if Kadri continues good production and good habits I hope he accepts a good hometown discount I really do.
Semantics
PUBLIC ENEMY #1
You're being a bit misleading here. Marleau entered the NHL full time as an 18 year old. By the time he was Kadri's age he was on his fourth 20+ goal season, with a 28g/57p stat line that year.
I think Kadri still has huge upside that he hasn't reached and that he's already our best center, but his development curve is a tier or two below Marleau's and I'm not sure he'll be the star 1C we've wanted since Sundin (I see him as a weak 1C or very strong 2C). But there have been teams that have won the cup without a star 1C, so I'm not too worried about it.
The truth is for every Marleau that started "slow" and turned out well there is a Chad Kilger. Nazem has the skill level (as did Kilger) its whether he can put it all together and remain consistent with a good attitude. His speech after the game was anything but humble.
diceman934
Help is on the way.
I could care less what he said after the game as long as he brings it on the ice.....so many examples of players who were out spoken yet were very good players.
I like Kadri's confidence as it is what makes him play the way he does...I believe that the fact that Kadri has not had consistent line mates and that he is playing his first full season in the NHL on a team that lacks leadership.....it is surprising that he is as good as he has been.
Who is the veteran leader to take him under their wings to show him the way...no one....Bolland but he has not been around that much thus far. The Leafs are full of me first type players and that has not helped Kadri at all. This is a kid who wants so badly to be the man here and people are willing to give him away for not much just 10 days ago. I have always been a fan of his....it is his passion that I love along with his skill.
zeke
The Dube Abides
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Top ppg centres, last two years (min. 20gms played):
* = mostly plays wing now
1. Crosby 1.46 (89gms)
2. Stamkos 1.23 (65gms)
3. Getzlaf 1.16 (95gms)
4. Malkin 1.15 (73gms)
5. Tavares 1.08 (103gms)
6. Staal 0.99 (98gms)
7. Datsyuk 0.99 (82gms)
8. Backstrom 0.97 (101gms)
9. Toews 0.97 (103gms)
10. Giroux 0.96 (102gms)
11. Thornton 0.93 (102gms)
12. Duchene 0.91 (96gms)
13. Sedin 0.87 (98gms)
14. Ribeiro 0.85 (101gms)
15. Seguin 0.84 (99gms)
16. Pavelski 0.82 (102gms)
17. Kopitar 0.82 (102gms)
18. Kadri 0.80 (99gms)
19. Krejci 0.79 (99gms)
20. Spezza 0.79 (53gms)
21. Koivu 0.78 (92gms)
22. Couture 0.78 (91gms)
23. Stepan 0.77 (103gms)
24. Little 0.74 (103gms)
25. Backes 0.71 (95gms)
26. Bergeron 0.71 (94gms)
27. Dubinsky 0.71 (76gms)
28. N-Hopkins 0.70 (94gms)
29. Hodgson 0.70 (90gms)
30. Stastny 0.70 (88gms)
31. Bozak 0.70 (77gms)
and Kadri is one of the very few players on that list who hasn't received full time top-unit PP time in this time period.
* = mostly plays wing now
1. Crosby 1.46 (89gms)
2. Stamkos 1.23 (65gms)
3. Getzlaf 1.16 (95gms)
4. Malkin 1.15 (73gms)
5. Tavares 1.08 (103gms)
6. Staal 0.99 (98gms)
7. Datsyuk 0.99 (82gms)
8. Backstrom 0.97 (101gms)
9. Toews 0.97 (103gms)
10. Giroux 0.96 (102gms)
11. Thornton 0.93 (102gms)
12. Duchene 0.91 (96gms)
13. Sedin 0.87 (98gms)
14. Ribeiro 0.85 (101gms)
15. Seguin 0.84 (99gms)
16. Pavelski 0.82 (102gms)
17. Kopitar 0.82 (102gms)
18. Kadri 0.80 (99gms)
19. Krejci 0.79 (99gms)
20. Spezza 0.79 (53gms)
21. Koivu 0.78 (92gms)
22. Couture 0.78 (91gms)
23. Stepan 0.77 (103gms)
24. Little 0.74 (103gms)
25. Backes 0.71 (95gms)
26. Bergeron 0.71 (94gms)
27. Dubinsky 0.71 (76gms)
28. N-Hopkins 0.70 (94gms)
29. Hodgson 0.70 (90gms)
30. Stastny 0.70 (88gms)
31. Bozak 0.70 (77gms)
and Kadri is one of the very few players on that list who hasn't received full time top-unit PP time in this time period.
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zeke
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Age 22
P.Kessel: 70gms, 30gls (8pp), 55pts (16pp), 19:33 (3:51pp) (82gms, 35gls (9pp), 64pts (19pp))
N.Kadri: 48gms, 18gls (5pp), 44pts (8pp), 16:03 (2:12pp) (82gms, 31gls (9pp), 75pts (14pp))
Age 23
P.Kessel: 82gms, 32gls (12pp), 64pts (23pp), 19:39 (3:45pp) (82gms, 32gls (12pp), 64pts (23pp))
N.Kadri: 51gms, 14gls (4pp), 35pts (12pp), 17:40 (2:27pp) (82gms, 23gls (6pp), 56pts (19pp))
Age 22-23
P.Kessel: 152gms, 62gls (20pp), 119pts (39pp), 19:36 (3:48pp) (82gms, 34gls (11pp), 64pts (21pp))
N.Kadri: 99gms, 32gls (9pp), 79pts (20pp), 16:53 (2:20pp) (82gms, 27gls (8pp), 65pts (17pp))
Very similar numbers, though Kessel got almost twice the PP time.
P.Kessel: 70gms, 30gls (8pp), 55pts (16pp), 19:33 (3:51pp) (82gms, 35gls (9pp), 64pts (19pp))
N.Kadri: 48gms, 18gls (5pp), 44pts (8pp), 16:03 (2:12pp) (82gms, 31gls (9pp), 75pts (14pp))
Age 23
P.Kessel: 82gms, 32gls (12pp), 64pts (23pp), 19:39 (3:45pp) (82gms, 32gls (12pp), 64pts (23pp))
N.Kadri: 51gms, 14gls (4pp), 35pts (12pp), 17:40 (2:27pp) (82gms, 23gls (6pp), 56pts (19pp))
Age 22-23
P.Kessel: 152gms, 62gls (20pp), 119pts (39pp), 19:36 (3:48pp) (82gms, 34gls (11pp), 64pts (21pp))
N.Kadri: 99gms, 32gls (9pp), 79pts (20pp), 16:53 (2:20pp) (82gms, 27gls (8pp), 65pts (17pp))
Very similar numbers, though Kessel got almost twice the PP time.
diceman934
Help is on the way.
Sorry that the truth hurts.....there is a sever lack of leadership on the Leafs.
It is also sad that the player who took Rielly under his wing at the start of camp this year was Kadri and Liles. It should again been a season vet....but the lack of effective leadership is an issue.
So you're saying Marleau put up 57 points when he was Kadri's age? That's pretty convenient, because that's almost exactly the pace Kadri is scoring at (56 points) on his "down" year so far!
So, no, that's not misleading at all, unless you expect Kadri to actually regress, when you could actually probably make the case that Kadri is a better overall player than he was last year, having to face better players and more defensive situations.
Your version of the truth, not the actual truth. Big difference.
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HockeyThoughts
Delivering The Truth
Even just look at his draft class and categorize by "Pts.":
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html
Nazem Kadri is 7th on that list having played ~half or even less of the games of the players above him. The list goes:
1. John Tavares
2. Matt Duchene
3. Evander Kane
4. Ryan O'Reilly
5. Marcus Johannsson
6. Victor Hedman
7. Nazem Kadri
You know how many of these players have put up a better PPG thus far?
1. John Tavares
2. Matt Duchene
..
That's it.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html
Nazem Kadri is 7th on that list having played ~half or even less of the games of the players above him. The list goes:
1. John Tavares
2. Matt Duchene
3. Evander Kane
4. Ryan O'Reilly
5. Marcus Johannsson
6. Victor Hedman
7. Nazem Kadri
You know how many of these players have put up a better PPG thus far?
1. John Tavares
2. Matt Duchene
..
That's it.
He was picked 7th overall,
lol,
what ya all think is left sitting on the table after the 6 top rated kids have been claimed, a bona fide superstar?
He is turning into a player that should be considered a great pick at 7.
lol,
what ya all think is left sitting on the table after the 6 top rated kids have been claimed, a bona fide superstar?
He is turning into a player that should be considered a great pick at 7.
I don't think it's fair to compare him to Kessel at the same ages though. Kessel had already had a 36 goal season under his belt by the time he was 21. Also, when he came here, he was the lone offensive weapon for those first 2 seasons and drew top defensive assignments from other teams night-in/night-out. Kadri, on the other hand, gets a team's 2nd and 3rd best defensive match-ups and benefits a lot from it.
I don't have a problem with Kadri, nor do I doubt that he will become a solid scorer in this league for several years, but let's not compare him just yet to a player who in the past 6 years sits 5th in the league in goals scored as well as in the top 10 for the past 4 seasons in points.
diceman934
Help is on the way.
It was a comparison to show people that at the same age he is producing similar numbers...a very fair comparison as its intent is to show everyone that he is not a bust.
I would add that Kadri is ripped apart for his lack of production and everyone is like a school girl in love with JVR and his production yet he is only 6 pts better played two extra games with 55 total minutes more on the PP and yet Kadri is not producing.....it is laughable.
Guy Boucher
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Not only is Kadri criticised in a way that is completely divorced of logic.. they get upset when they see his spirit isn't broken and still carries his confidence around. I guess he's just too "uppity" for them.
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