Nathan MacKinnon, on par with the best in business?

[Arthur Morgan]

crazy to think how much he has progressed over the years. from his beginning first few seasons which ended up gifting COL one of the best contracts ever. his current aav is well deserved.

 

[benfranklin]

Mcdavid is 3rd to 5th all time

Mackinnon is 20th to 30th all time

In all time what? Fastest skaters? Neither of those are remotely accurate for best players of all time.

 

[hamzarocks]

In all time what? Fastest skaters? Neither of those are remotely accurate for best players of all time.

IF its best player, Mcdavid is #1 or 2 and Mackinnon is top 10ish.

These guy are amongst the very most skilled players in NHL history playing in modern era of hockey

Mackinnon destroys most old players that people cling to

His 8 year prime, his pts/ppg/hart/lindsay+playoff finishes is top 20-30

He has a better 8 year stretch than Sakic,Yzermann, Federov, Datsyuk, thoronton, MSL, Selanne, Brett Hull etc etc. Very few players can say they ~116 pt per 82 players for his 8th season now.

McDavid in his 10th season has never been worse than 3rd in league ppg. Very few players besides 99, 66, 4 (defense adjisted, howe, and Crosby maybe can say they have that level of stretch.

The fact that they are two of the best playoff players ever just further solidifies their all time status.

Mackinnon + Kucherov both are top 20-30 all time after this year

 

[DJN21]

He has been for some time.

 

[benfranklin]

IF its best player, Mcdavid is #1 or 2 and Mackinnon is top 10ish.

These guy are amongst the very most skilled players in NHL history playing in modern era of hockey

Mackinnon destroys most old players that people cling to

His 8 year prime, his pts/ppg/hart/lindsay+playoff finishes is top 20-30

He has a better 8 year stretch than Sakic,Yzermann, Federov, Datsyuk, thoronton, MSL, Selanne, Brett Hull etc etc. Very few players can say they ~116 pt per 82 players for his 8th season now.

McDavid in his 10th season has never been worse than 3rd in league ppg. Very few players besides 99, 66, 4 (defense adjisted, howe, and Crosby maybe can say they have that level of stretch.

The fact that they are two of the best playoff players ever just further solidifies their all time status.

Mackinnon + Kucherov both are top 20-30 all time after this year

In 10 years maybe when they're both flirting with 2000 points, sure. Until then you're insulting a whole list of greats, who have multiple Cups, 500/600/700+ goals.

I agree, skill wise, sure, but you're also comparing 2024 technology to pre 2000's for most. Apples and oranges.

Put up the points, get some more individual hardware, and most importantly win a Cup or two (McDavid) and then we can talk. Zero Cups and no chance he is top 3 of all time.

Messier, Howe, Francis, Jagr, Selanne, Dionne, Yzerman, Sakic, Lidstrom, Crosby, Ovechkin, Esposito, Bourque, Thornton, Hull, Hull, Shanahan, Malkin, Beliveau, RIchard, Coffey.

That is just off the top of my head. Assumnig healthy, both McDavid and MacKinnon will take them down, but lets be patient for them to actually do it.

 

[hamzarocks]

In 10 years maybe when they're both flirting with 2000 points, sure. Until then you're insulting a whole list of greats, who have multiple Cups, 500/600/700+ goals.

I agree, skill wise, sure, but you're also comparing 2024 technology to pre 2000's for most. Apples and oranges.

Put up the points, get some more individual hardware, and most importantly win a Cup or two (McDavid) and then we can talk. Zero Cups and no chance he is top 3 of all time.

Messier, Howe, Francis, Jagr, Selanne, Dionne, Yzerman, Sakic, Lidstrom, Crosby, Ovechkin, Esposito, Bourque, Thornton, Hull, Hull, Shanahan, Malkin, Beliveau, RIchard, Coffey.

That is just off the top of my head. Assumnig healthy, both McDavid and MacKinnon will take them down, but lets be patient for them to actually do it.

From your list no one is greater than Mcdavid besides Howe

Crosby, Lidstrom, Hull, Ray Bourque, Beliveau, OV, Jagr, Howe, Richard, & Esposito are over Mackinnon

Mcdavid had a top 3-4 playoff run ever laat year.

HE has been a top 5 player in the playoffs. Look at his ppg, he dominates at higher levels than anyone besides a handful of guys.

5 rosses
4 Lindsays
3 Harts
1 richard
4th fastest to 1000 career points

How many players on that list has that level of peak + sustained prime play?

Orr is ranked 3rd or 4th all time and his career was shorter and he won 2 cups in a 12 team league on a stacked bruins team

 

[CanadienShark]

But according to Oilers fans McDavid has been playing with the “2nd best player in the league” for years now.

Before MacKinnon actually broke out and Kucherov remained at such a high level, there was a legit argument. Realistically, until last season, he had an argument to be in that spot. MacKinnon and Kucherov blew him out of the water since then.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

That’s a lot of words to say he hasn’t won an Art Ross.

To be fair, he has won a cup though. I’m sure McDavid would give up every Art Ross for a cup.

 

[thadd]

I think, like Kucherov, he can hang around with McDavid. I think the reason why McDavid is considered above them is due to the longevity of his dominance, right from the get go he was among the best.

As of today though? Yeah, I would think he is there.

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Kucherov and MacKinnon play with much greater groups of players. That's why they can hang with McDavid.