In all time what? Fastest skaters? Neither of those are remotely accurate for best players of all time.Mcdavid is 3rd to 5th all time
Mackinnon is 20th to 30th all time
IF its best player, Mcdavid is #1 or 2 and Mackinnon is top 10ish.In all time what? Fastest skaters? Neither of those are remotely accurate for best players of all time.
In 10 years maybe when they're both flirting with 2000 points, sure. Until then you're insulting a whole list of greats, who have multiple Cups, 500/600/700+ goals.IF its best player, Mcdavid is #1 or 2 and Mackinnon is top 10ish.
These guy are amongst the very most skilled players in NHL history playing in modern era of hockey
Mackinnon destroys most old players that people cling to
His 8 year prime, his pts/ppg/hart/lindsay+playoff finishes is top 20-30
He has a better 8 year stretch than Sakic,Yzermann, Federov, Datsyuk, thoronton, MSL, Selanne, Brett Hull etc etc. Very few players can say they ~116 pt per 82 players for his 8th season now.
McDavid in his 10th season has never been worse than 3rd in league ppg. Very few players besides 99, 66, 4 (defense adjisted, howe, and Crosby maybe can say they have that level of stretch.
The fact that they are two of the best playoff players ever just further solidifies their all time status.
Mackinnon + Kucherov both are top 20-30 all time after this year
From your list no one is greater than Mcdavid besides HoweIn 10 years maybe when they're both flirting with 2000 points, sure. Until then you're insulting a whole list of greats, who have multiple Cups, 500/600/700+ goals.
I agree, skill wise, sure, but you're also comparing 2024 technology to pre 2000's for most. Apples and oranges.
Put up the points, get some more individual hardware, and most importantly win a Cup or two (McDavid) and then we can talk. Zero Cups and no chance he is top 3 of all time.
Messier, Howe, Francis, Jagr, Selanne, Dionne, Yzerman, Sakic, Lidstrom, Crosby, Ovechkin, Esposito, Bourque, Thornton, Hull, Hull, Shanahan, Malkin, Beliveau, RIchard, Coffey.
That is just off the top of my head. Assumnig healthy, both McDavid and MacKinnon will take them down, but lets be patient for them to actually do it.
Before MacKinnon actually broke out and Kucherov remained at such a high level, there was a legit argument. Realistically, until last season, he had an argument to be in that spot. MacKinnon and Kucherov blew him out of the water since then.But according to Oilers fans McDavid has been playing with the “2nd best player in the league” for years now.
To be fair, he has won a cup though. I’m sure McDavid would give up every Art Ross for a cup.That’s a lot of words to say he hasn’t won an Art Ross.
I think, like Kucherov, he can hang around with McDavid. I think the reason why McDavid is considered above them is due to the longevity of his dominance, right from the get go he was among the best.
As of today though? Yeah, I would think he is there.