Confirmed with Link: Nathan Horton to Toronto for David Clarkson

[niflheim]

Its like getting a purple heart for shooting yourself in the foot.

(I am sorry , I know Purple Heart is high military award)

 

[niflheim]

http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/story?stor...top&rand=ref~{"ref":"http://t.co/Cz6I9uPzRQ"}


That's the kind of creative thinking that makes Kekalainen a general manager to watch as the deadline closes in.

My bad, I like this profanic phraseology Is it creation of our "Master of Puppets" Portzline?
Pair of new similar trades and our team can be destroyed by " great creative thinking"

 

[niflheim]

Wings' DeVellano was weak as trade manager, but great as draft specialist, but our FO is simply sucking in trading. I can say that trades are prohibited and dangerous for us. Draft, draft and only draft

 

[BluejacketNut]

Its really sinking in that we will have Clarkson as a top payed player on this team for 5 more years, with pretty much no chance of getting away from it. 5 more long, cold, years

 

[Dednimnepo]

Reasonable Business Risk? Show me the numbers to back such a case up.

Looking at the roster/salaries for that season, the long-term exposure from Horton is one of the greatest on the team. You can immediately discount the bottom 6/bottom pairing guys making minimal dollars and/or with minimal term as contracts you'd want to insure for the premiums paid--Skille, Tropp, Calvert, Comeau, DMac, Letestu, Prout, Savard, Nikitin--makes no sense to insure them. Then there were players like Johansen, Jenner, Atkinson and Murray on reasonable deals who also made no sense to insure.

Wisniewski, Tyutin and Johnson leap off the page as guys that you have to insure because of dollars and, more importantly, term.

The only forward other than Horton that really made any sense to insure was Umberger who had 4 years left at the start of the season at $4.5 million.

That leaves you with Bobrovsky and Horton. They could have insured both since they could insure up to 7 players (unclear to me if supplemental premiums get paid over 5 players). Bobrovsky only had a two year deal. Horton had 7 years.

Go look at the numbers. Show me where there is any reasonable business case to allocate the insurance to someone other than Horton when you factor in his salary and term.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/CLB?year=2014

Thanks for the salary information. Are you factoring in the half season?

Could you provide me with the the following player rates?
- Risk of injury* per game (*injury only includes those that may trigger a claim)
- Length of avg injury
- Risk of career ending injury
- Risk of off season injuries

Per player would be nice but I guess we can make a guess rather than model using individual player assessments.

 

[DJA]

Its really sinking in that we will have Clarkson as a top payed player on this team for 5 more years, with pretty much no chance of getting away from it. 5 more long, cold, years

no offense man, but maybe it might be better for your health to root for another team - you seem to be taking this deal pretty personally.

lets see him play a few games

 

[Bobcat110]

http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/story?stor...top&rand=ref~{"ref":"http://t.co/Cz6I9uPzRQ"}


Scouting the GM: Kekalainen's two-year anniversary as general manager of the Blue Jackets was this month, and he already has established himself as a fearless front-office leader. He traded for Marian Gaborik and later dealt him to the Kings. He made the fantastic Scott Hartnell trade with the Philadelphia Flyers when it looked like R.J. Umberger was unmovable. And he orchestrated the Horton-for-Clarkson swap, getting a player who can help the team instead of paying an injured player.

The Blue Jackets kicked around the idea of a similar deal for Mike Richards, although that never got past the conceptual phase. That's the kind of creative thinking that makes Kekalainen a general manager to watch as the deadline closes in.

Maybe he should have some fear.

 

[Dednimnepo]

Its really sinking in that we will have Clarkson as a top payed player on this team for 5 more years, with pretty much no chance of getting away from it. 5 more long, cold, years

How much does he cost net Horton's salary?

 

[SuperGenius]

Its really sinking in that we will have Clarkson as a top payed player on this team for 5 more years, with pretty much no chance of getting away from it. 5 more long, cold, years

Good thing you have your mind made up before he takes a shift. It could really get messy if you had to evaluate any evidence.

The only thing about the trade that stuns me...and I mean, really stuns me, is the amount of people here who have their mind made up about this guy before he even hits the ice. He barely stands a chance with most of you. It's incredible, really.

 

[CBJx614]

Good thing you have your mind made up before he takes a shift. It could really get messy if you had to evaluate any evidence.

The only thing about the trade that stuns me...and I mean, really stuns me, is the amount of people here who have their mind made up about this guy before he even hits the ice. He barely stands a chance with most of you. It's incredible, really.

Seriously, it's unreal. I highly doubt he becomes a 30 goal scorer again, but he at least forces other players down the lineup, and potentially off of the roster. He plays physical, sits in front the net and bangs bodies. Personally i think he'll fit right in.

 

[EdwardG]

I'm not convinced that the Hartnell trade was a good one. I assume the whole reason Philly traded him was because Umby's contract is two (I think) years shorter, and given Hartnell's age the last two years of his contract money is going to be paid out that isn't good.

I think Boll is a waste of a roster space but I don't understand all the complaining about his contract. It's not the little contracts that kill you, it's the big deals given out to guys who aren't producing at the level of like-salaried guys on other teams.

 

[NotWendell]

I'll be thrilled if he gets 20 points a season and doesn't drag down the rest of the team.

 

[We Want Ten]

Good thing you have your mind made up before he takes a shift. It could really get messy if you had to evaluate any evidence.

The only thing about the trade that stuns me...and I mean, really stuns me, is the amount of people here who have their mind made up about this guy before he even hits the ice. He barely stands a chance with most of you. It's incredible, really.

I'm gonna explain my position about this since I have been banging on the guy. Unfairly even if i'm honest.

I don't hate the guy, I hate the fact that he is on our team. If he was making half of what he is and we traded for him or signed him then whatever. But the way this whole thing has come down is dirty in my mind and unfortunately he probably is gonna be the focal point when we get tight to the cap, or are hamstrung trying to move personnel in the future. The fact that we are simply trading dollars right now is fine, but what happens when this team needs the 5 mill we could have used by putting Horton on LTIR? What happens when this guy plays some semblance of what he has played the couple of years? I somewhat doubt the move to Columbus will rejuvenate this guys career in a way that makes Jarmo look like a genius. Also I really don't understand why we would help out a fellow EC team by taking on their baggage.

 

[We Want Ten]

I'll be thrilled if he scores 20 goals a season and doesn't drag down the rest of the team.

Guy averages almost 23 PTS a season.

 

[NotWendell]

Guy averages almost 23 PTS a season.

Sorry, I meant points. I have low expectations for this guy, which is a good thing for him.

 

[Bologna 1]

from an NJ fan. Clarkson is criminally overpaid, yes. but at this point, you just hope he can get back to how he played for the devils. if he does (given the less pressure in Columbus), you'll love him. he also gives the jackets yet another pesky, gritty player (as if they didn't have enough already) to make them even more difficult to play against, especially if they can stay healthy can get back to the playoffs next season.

 

[SuperGenius]

I'm gonna explain my position about this since I have been banging on the guy. Unfairly even if i'm honest.

I don't hate the guy, I hate the fact that he is on our team. If he was making half of what he is and we traded for him or signed him then whatever. But the way this whole thing has come down is dirty in my mind and unfortunately he probably is gonna be the focal point when we get tight to the cap, or are hamstrung trying to move personnel in the future. The fact that we are simply trading dollars right now is fine, but what happens when this team needs the 5 mill we could have used by putting Horton on LTIR? What happens when this guy plays some semblance of what he has played the couple of years? I somewhat doubt the move to Columbus will rejuvenate this guys career in a way that makes Jarmo look like a genius. Also I really don't understand why we would help out a fellow EC team by taking on their baggage.

CBJ aren't a cap team, so there's something you can feel better about.

 

[We Want Ten]

CBJ aren't a cap team, so there's something you can feel better about.

Weren't we a few years ago?

 

[We Want Ten]

Sorry, I meant points. I have low expectations for this guy, which is a good thing for him.

I mean, I'd love for him to pot 20 goals. Don't change your mind due to me lol. 20 G and 3A he will be the new Rick Nash.

 

[DJA]

Weren't we a few years ago?

No, they've been in the top 10 in payroll a couple times, but they've never had enough cap concerns that LTIR would ever, ever come into play.

 

[NotWendell]

I mean, I'd love for him to pot 20 goals. Don't change your mind due to me lol. 20 G and 3A he will be the new Rick Nash.

LOL No no. I meant 20 points.

 

[JacketsDavid]

CBJ aren't a cap team, so there's something you can feel better about.

That makes the whole situation even worse. A cash poor team signs a large FA and decides to not take out insurance. Sure enough big investment gets hurt and even the FO is saying it was a financial decision. So we trade him for a horrible contract for a guy who is not a top 6 forward.
What that means: For a cash poor team is we have tied up one of our top 5-6 salaries in a guy who likely won't help much. Again one season over 20 goals. I was worried about trading Cam because we didn't want to pay him like a 2nd/3rd line forward - well there goes the budget.
Just horrible business decision to not get insurance. Then to take back a terrible contract for an unproductive player - just to have a body that plays?
This entire fiasco (no insurance on Horton, then trading him for this) ranks right up there with our all time worst moves - letting Whitney walk for nothing, trusting Brassard and other young players instead of Hitchcock, etc. Just all around stupid move, short term thinking...

 

[SuperGenius]

That makes the whole situation even worse. A cash poor team signs a large FA and decides to not take out insurance. Sure enough big investment gets hurt and even the FO is saying it was a financial decision. So we trade him for a horrible contract for a guy who is not a top 6 forward.
What that means: For a cash poor team is we have tied up one of our top 5-6 salaries in a guy who likely won't help much. Again one season over 20 goals. I was worried about trading Cam because we didn't want to pay him like a 2nd/3rd line forward - well there goes the budget.
Just horrible business decision to not get insurance. Then to take back a terrible contract for an unproductive player - just to have a body that plays?
This entire fiasco (no insurance on Horton, then trading him for this) ranks right up there with our all time worst moves - letting Whitney walk for nothing, trusting Brassard and other young players instead of Hitchcock, etc. Just all around stupid move, short term thinking...

Not being a cap team doesn't necessarily mean the team is 'cash poor'. I know people with seven figures in the bank who drive Hondas, for example. Even a Ford.

I don't think we know enough to come to any conclusions about what happened or should have happened regarding Horton and insurance. There's a lot of conjecture, but none of us really know the rules or practices of insurance coverage with NHL teams. If Portzline were half a reporter, he would be getting to the bottom of this with the league and the team. As it is, our own Capn seems to have done the most to understand it and get it out there.

 

[BluejacketNut]

Sorry, since most people didnt get it. It was meant in a tune of Groundhogs day

 

[We Want Ten]

No, they've been in the top 10 in payroll a couple times, but they've never had enough cap concerns that LTIR would ever, ever come into play.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2013/07/cbj-...-a-cap-team.html

I don't understand the blase attitude of it not being an issue. In 5 years, its going to be an issue if this team wants to compete.