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Porter Stoutheart said:
I think Novak and Evangelista are great current examples? Fabbro/Tomasino/Parssinen/Tolvanen were past ship-sailed examples. But look at what Novak is doing the last couple games, what got him that contract. Or Evangelista last season. Normally you just want to draw a nice linear evolution/progression slope for these kinds of players. Instead we seem to always backtrack... it's weird. Maybe I don't follow the other 31 teams closely enough, but I just don't see any logical reason why that should happen? There is a bit of an urban myth about "sophomore slumps", but... does it happen to EVERY young player, always? I don't think so. :dunno:
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It's a cake of our own making, I believe.

We bring up a guy like Tolvanen and initially we put him on, say, the 2nd line. Give him some PP time. He gets up to speed, scores a few goals, and everyone is jacked. Wahoo!

Then as time goes on, our coaches panic. Damn, that kid is just a kid. He didn't do X exactly like I thought he should've. He's not overcooked yet. OMFG!

At that point, he's bounced around the lineup, in and out of the pressbox, and maybe even yo-yo'ed back and forth from Milwaukee. The young guy is effectively told, we're not ready or willing to let you log enough time at this level to really gain your footing. Kbyyyyye!

It's true that a lot of these "unmitigated busts" aren't hands down Hall-of-Famers. But they are cost-controlled kids that we drafted and who can play at the NHL level in roles suited to their strengths. We should utilize that to our advantage, but we don't. We'd rather pick up some other team's tweener, superglue that guy in the lineup, and waive or trade our kids for a bag of air.
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
The contract has a NMC in it. That means today, before the contract kicks in, we can trade Saros to any of 31 teams, and he has ZERO say in it.

After the contract kicks in, he has total control of where he goes. Which likely crosses at least 2/3rds of the league off the list straight off the top. AND requires our situation to be sooooo dire that he's even willing to move at all.

So yeah, there is a huge difference in those two scenarios. It might not be much of a difference in terms of what RETURN we could get. But it's a huge difference in terms of whether we'd even be able to trade him at all or not.
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Trotz can trade him to any team he wants to this year, you are correct. The team that trades for Saros is stuck with that contract so for them it makes absolutely no difference. If you were a GM of another organization would you take on that contract?
 
ShagDaddy said:
Trotz can trade him to any team he wants to this year, you are correct. The team that trades for Saros is stuck with that contract so for them it makes absolutely no difference. If you were a GM of another organization would you take on that contract?
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If I'm in a Cup window and need a goalie, yes. 7.74 ain't bad for a top level goalie and teams in all out win mode aren't necessarily going to care as much about the back end years. The problem is it's a pretty limited number of teams if any who really fit that mold. Last year was the time to do it, there was an epidemic of bad goalie play on otherwise good teams.
 
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wmupreds said:
If I'm in a Cup window and need a goalie, yes. 7.74 ain't bad for a top level goalie and teams in all out win mode aren't necessarily going to care as much about the back end years. The problem is it's a pretty limited number of teams if any who really fit that mold. Last year was the time to do it, there was an epidemic of bad goalie play on otherwise good teams.
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I think we missed our chance with Colorado this season, tbh. We were talking to them, but ended up just moving Wedgewood. They were so desperate they signed Blackwood.

The next best team is Edmonton. Trade Saros for Skinner and whatever Cap dump they want to throw our way to make it work. Their window with McDavid and Draisatl is now.
 
So I finally looked up the Preds wins this year

Of Nashville's 18 wins, I would only consider 8 to be against quality opponents.

Who cares wins
SJS 2 Wins
CHI 2 Wins
VAN 2 Wins (Drama)
BOS 1 Win (team was and is in free fall)
MIN 1 Win (injuries galore)
NYR 1 Win (team was in free fall)
COL 1 Win (injuries galore)

Quality wins
CAR 1
CBJ 1
UTAH 1
CAL 1
LAK 1
WPG 1
VGK 1
DAL 1

Vegas was on a B2B and I think Winnipeg was as well. Still good quality wins but again, I look at who we have beat and I'm not overly impressed
 
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Roman Yoshi said:
So I finally looked up the Preds wins this year

Of Nashville's 18 wins, I would only consider 8 to be against quality opponents.

Who cares wins
SJS 2 Wins
CHI 2 Wins
VAN 2 Wins (Drama)
BOS 1 Win (team was and is in free fall)
MIN 1 Win (injuries galore)
NYR 1 Win (team was in free fall)
COL 1 Win (injuries galore)

Quality wins
CAR 1
CBJ 1
UTAH 1
CAL 1
LAK 1
WPG 1
VGK 1
DAL 1

Vegas was on a B2B and I think Winnipeg was as well. Still good quality wins but again, I look at who we have beat and I'm not overly impressed
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Having to beat Chicago in a SO, the miracle comeback against the Sharks one night and a plain 'ol goalie-optional game against them in the rematch. Bad teams playing other bad teams very close, but the Preds get the Ws and keep clawing to drafing around the mid-1st round per usual.
 
Roman Yoshi said:
So I finally looked up the Preds wins this year

Of Nashville's 18 wins, I would only consider 8 to be against quality opponents.

Who cares wins
SJS 2 Wins
CHI 2 Wins
VAN 2 Wins (Drama)
BOS 1 Win (team was and is in free fall)
MIN 1 Win (injuries galore)
NYR 1 Win (team was in free fall)
COL 1 Win (injuries galore)

Quality wins
CAR 1
CBJ 1
UTAH 1
CAL 1
LAK 1
WPG 1
VGK 1
DAL 1

Vegas was on a B2B and I think Winnipeg was as well. Still good quality wins but again, I look at who we have beat and I'm not overly impressed
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Isn't this how it works for most good teams? You win most of the games against struggling opponents and you try to split wins against quality opponents. The Preds play the Ducks. Nucks, Sabres, Pens, Sens, Hawks, and Sabres going into the 4 Nations Break. Preds are 18-22-7. Only the Nucks and the Sens are over .500. If we go 6-1, we go into the break 24-23-7 and probably 5-to-6 points out of WC2. If we do it, those 6 wins would all go in your Who Cares List. We'll take it. We'd have gone 11-1 in our last 12. Like last year's 16-0-2, these streaks don't start out as great streaks. They build on themselves with each win. Will it happen? On paper, it's possible considering the competition and the sense of urgency. If we disappoint and go 3-4-0 in the next 7 games, then stick a fork in us.

At least it makes these recent games quasi- meaningful. Why not enjoy the ride until it derails.
 
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Roman Yoshi said:
So I finally looked up the Preds wins this year

Of Nashville's 18 wins, I would only consider 8 to be against quality opponents.

Who cares wins
SJS 2 Wins
CHI 2 Wins
VAN 2 Wins (Drama)
BOS 1 Win (team was and is in free fall)
MIN 1 Win (injuries galore)
NYR 1 Win (team was in free fall)
COL 1 Win (injuries galore)

Quality wins
CAR 1
CBJ 1
UTAH 1
CAL 1
LAK 1
WPG 1
VGK 1
DAL 1

Vegas was on a B2B and I think Winnipeg was as well. Still good quality wins but again, I look at who we have beat and I'm not overly impressed
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If we were looking to asses this team's status as a Cup contender I would worry more about the quality of opponents being beaten. Cup contenders beat quality opponents consistently, playoff teams beat the teams they are supposed to beat, bottom of the league teams can't even achieve that. I'm kind of vexed by the expectations for a team that's 18-22-7. That list of wins is about what I'd expect from a team with that record.
 
ILikeItILoveIt said:
Isn't this how it works for most good teams? You win most of the games against struggling opponents and you try to split wins against quality opponents. The Preds play the Ducks. Nucks, Sabres, Pens, Sens, Hawks, and Sabres going into the 4 Nations Break. Preds are 18-22-7. Only the Nucks and the Sens are over .500. If we go 6-1, we go into the break 24-23-7 and probably 5-to-6 points out of WC2. If we do it, those 6 wins would all go in your Who Cares List. We'll take it. We'd have gone 11-1 in our last 12. Like last year's 16-0-2, these streaks don't start out as great streaks. They build on themselves with each win. Will it happen? On paper, it's possible considering the competition and the sense of urgency. If we disappoint and go 3-4-0 in the next 7 games, then stick a fork in us.

At least it makes these recent games quasi- meaningful. Why not enjoy the ride until it derails.
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If they weren’t having to come back from deficits, win in overtime or give up 5 or 6 goals, I’d agree with your first sentence. The Predators are struggling against struggling opponents and catching wins against good opponents on their second night of back to back or with depleted rosters.
 
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ShagDaddy said:
Local media surprise.

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Trotz, Bruno, and our local media when players past peak age start getting worse

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To recap our glorious win streak:

Vegas - a truly quality win, one of our few this year
Chicago - escaped in a shootout vs the worst team in the league
Minnesota - beat up, Kaprizov-less Wild. Fine win
San Jose x2 - dramatic comebacks each way, barely escaped against the 2nd worst team in the league twice in a row
L @ Anaheim - blown out by the fifth-worst team in the league

@ShagDaddy nailed it with the Dennis Green meme in the GDT. They are who we thought they were. And that is a team that fits right in with the worst teams in the league. This win streak is going to give Trotz all the wrong ideas, when it's really more evidence we are a bad team
 
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glenngineer said:
Time to move on from Saros. Find a contender that needs an upgrade. Just get away from the contract.
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Honestly if we can move on from saros now i say do it. I dont think his numbers will get better under bruno. I think theyll rebound on a team with actual structure though. So if we cant trade him, i expect him to do better in 2-3 years after a coaching change.
 
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Top 6 Spaling said:
To recap our glorious win streak:

Vegas - a truly quality win, one of our few this year
Chicago - escaped in a shootout vs the worst team in the league
Minnesota - beat up, Kaprizov-less Wild. Fine win
San Jose x2 - dramatic comebacks each way, barely escaped against the 2nd worst team in the league twice in a row
L @ Anaheim - blown out by the fifth-worst team in the league

@ShagDaddy nailed it with the Dennis Green meme in the GDT. They are who we thought they were. And that is a team that fits right in with the worst teams in the league. This win streak is going to give Trotz all the wrong ideas, when it's really more evidence we are a bad team
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Don't forget Vegas was on the tail end of a back to back
 
I don't like breaking down the wins like that. A win is a win. Every team in the league beats the bad teams constantly, every team beats teams on backend of back-to-back, every team beats other teams with injuries etc.
 
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