Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

[glenngineer]

Move Saros and Josi and get a legit C.

As good as they two are, you're not getting a legit C for both of them. This also presumes that Josi would agree to get moved.

 

[glenngineer]

If we end up picking top 5 this year, I want us to forward (Center in particular) almost no matter what. The best D and G in the league are often drafted in the late 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round. Essentially all of the best centers are drafted top 10, most top 5. It's far more likely we strike gold with a 2nd round Dman than we find the only top-line center taken outside of the first round for the entire decade.

We'll end up trading for Cozens, Trotz will say he's our number 1 C and end up drafting Schaefer with our top 5 pick.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

As good as they two are, you're not getting a legit C for both of them. This also presumes that Josi would agree to get moved.

Dude needs to take the country club and go pad his HHoF credentials somewhere else. New blood is overdue--and might even play defense.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Actually, the left side looks pretty good going into the future. The right side? Not so much.

Huh, wonder were we could get some help at RHD...oh wait...nevermind.

As good as they two are, you're not getting a legit C for both of them. This also presumes that Josi would agree to get moved.

Dude needs to take the country club and go pad his HHoF credentials somewhere else. New blood is overdue--and might even play defense.

Strip him of that C finally and he might be ready to go.

 

[adsfan]

So more injuries but now to Stamkos and Evangelista. This wouldve been an excellent time to have Pärssinen and Tomasino but since they are currently unavailable maybe Svechkov/Novak and Kemell should get looks in those spots. That said, i fully expect something more dumb to happen. L'Heureux only has 1 more game left on his suspension so we may end up with Bellows and 1C sissons.

Forsberg - xxxx - March
Xxxx - RoR - Nyquist
Jankowski - Novak - xxxx
McCarron - Sissons - xxxx

WordBank
Hinostroza
Svechkov
Kemell
Ozzy
Bellows
Lucchini
Angelo
Mutter
Rolston

Considering the lineup already has 2 plugs in there (Jankowski, McCarron)... this is pretty bad.

Mutter would be good on the 4th line. His skating and passing improved when he came back from the Everblades last season.

 

[glenngineer]

Dude needs to take the country club and go pad his HHoF credentials somewhere else. New blood is overdue--and might even play defense.

Huh, wonder were we could get some help at RHD...oh wait...nevermind.



Strip him of that C finally and he might be ready to go.

Interesting takes on Josi and I'll say a couple of things.

We can only speculate on who's part of the CC or not. From what I see of Josi on the ice, if he didn't give a crap, he wouldn't have the ticked-off reactions he does. If he was part of the CC Trotz was trying to get rid of, he had his chance and didn't do a thing about it. I have serious doubts as to whether or not Trotz can GM; however, he knows teams and the locker room.

People want Josi to play within the system. Well, the system allows the d-men to roam wherever they want it appears. Honestly, it seems as they he's toned it down from years past whether that's due to being asked to or he doesn't trust his partner enough or the forwards who need to cover for him.

We have one of the top 5 D in the world and moving on from him would probably be one of the biggest mistakes we could make because a lot of the offense runs through him and we lose that, we're going to average under 2 goals per game. Unless he's bringing back a true 1C, which he won't at this point in his career, you don't move him.

If anything, because we are sucking so bad, I think him and Forsberg are trying way too hard and making plays they normally wouldn't make if we scoring more.

One more thing back to the leadership piece, when they started making sweeping changes and bringing in guys like ROR and the like, the time to have stripped him of the C was then and they didn't do it, which once again tells me he's not the problem.

I don't think the CC is the problem. The problem is a poorly constructed roster and getting worse with every move that's made.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Interesting takes on Josi and I'll say a couple of things.

We can only speculate on who's part of the CC or not. From what I see of Josi on the ice, if he didn't give a crap, he wouldn't have the ticked-off reactions he does. If he was part of the CC Trotz was trying to get rid of, he had his chance and didn't do a thing about it. I have serious doubts as to whether or not Trotz can GM; however, he knows teams and the locker room.

People want Josi to play within the system. Well, the system allows the d-men to roam wherever they want it appears. Honestly, it seems as they he's toned it down from years past whether that's due to being asked to or he doesn't trust his partner enough or the forwards who need to cover for him.

We have one of the top 5 D in the world and moving on from him would probably be one of the biggest mistakes we could make because a lot of the offense runs through him and we lose that, we're going to average under 2 goals per game. Unless he's bringing back a true 1C, which he won't at this point in his career, you don't move him.

If anything, because we are sucking so bad, I think him and Forsberg are trying way too hard and making plays they normally wouldn't make if we scoring more.

One more thing back to the leadership piece, when they started making sweeping changes and bringing in guys like ROR and the like, the time to have stripped him of the C was then and they didn't do it, which once again tells me he's not the problem.

I don't think the CC is the problem. The problem is a poorly constructed roster and getting worse with every move that's made.

Everything you said about Josi was said about Karlsson. I personally don't think he's worth worrying about at this point, and damn sure not as the captain. Get what you can for him and move on. What does he do on the PP? He's not fast enough to cover for his own mistakes anymore, he still can't pass the puck out if the zone to make the "fast break" system work, and his defense is poor at best. The only thing he adds to the team is being the first player up ice after his D partner gets possession.

I mean, is the team gonna suck without him?

 

[beardawg]

It's so silly to knock on a 34 year old Roman Josi at this point. He's been one of the best defensemen of his generation in his time here and the best people want to give him is "he's a sh*tty captain" when they have no insight into the dynamics of the locker room or who he is. Comical witch hunting

All that to say, I do agree he should be traded. Dude deserves a Cup and it won't happen here

 

[glenngineer]

Everything you said about Josi was said about Karlsson. I personally don't think he's worth worrying about at this point, and damn sure not as the captain. Get what you can for him and move on. What does he do on the PP? He's not fast enough to cover for his own mistakes anymore, he still can't pass the puck out if the zone to make the "fast break" system work, and his defense is poor at best. The only thing he adds to the team is being the first player up ice after his D partner gets possession.

I mean, is the team gonna suck without him?

I honestly wonder if he’s been nursing an injury this year because he looks slower than in years past. Either that or Father Time has caught up to him.

 

[Enoch]

I don’t think the roster is constructed that poorly. It just needs a 1c.

Mistakes were made before and after its construction. I agree with that by a factor of a billion.

Our bumbling coach doesn’t know how to do anything with the roster though.

Pretty much every coach in the league should have had a better outcome than what we see right now.

I still can’t fathom this team not being 8/9 and at least .500

 

[nine_inch_fang]

It's so silly to knock on a 34 year old Roman Josi at this point. He's been one of the best defensemen of his generation in his time here and the best people want to give him is "he's a sh*tty captain" when they have no insight into the dynamics of the locker room or who he is. Comical witch hunting

All that to say, I do agree he should be traded. Dude deserves a Cup and it won't happen here

I mean, sure he's been really good to elite, and did have one season that he won an award and another he should have after he final became the featured defensmen.

But, he's not that player now. And, as far as I'm concerned he's never been the right player to be captain. It's been all downhill since the cup finals when Fisher left. Constant talk about needing "locker room players" and "serial winners" to fix the culture, well, I've got news for everyone. Josi is the only constant for the last 7 declining years.

 

[beardawg]

I mean, sure he's been really good to elite, and did have one season that he won an award and another he should have after he final became the featured defensmen.

But, he's not that player now. And, as far as I'm concerned he's never been the right player to be captain. It's been all downhill since the cup finals when Fisher left. Constant talk about needing "locker room players" and "serial winners" to fix the culture, well, I've got news for everyone. Josi is the only constant for the last 7 declining years.

Along with Forsberg, Sissons, and Saros. Why doesn't Fil get the same treatment? He also wears an arbitrary letter on his chest

 

[glenngineer]

Along with Forsberg, Sissons, and Saros. Why doesn't Fil get the same treatment? He also wears an arbitrary letter on his chest

Forsberg didn't even get that letter full-time until this season.

 

[beardawg]

Forsberg didn't even get that letter full-time until this season.

I know there was a home/away rotation between several guys for several years, Fil and Sissons being in that group. Would the last 8 years have been any different if either of them had the C?

 

[glenngineer]

I don’t think the roster is constructed that poorly. It just needs a 1c.

Mistakes were made before and after its construction. I agree with that by a factor of a billion.

Our bumbling coach doesn’t know how to do anything with the roster though.

Pretty much every coach in the league should have had a better outcome than what we see right now.

I still can’t fathom this team not being 8/9 and at least .500

I think it needs a 1C and 2C. I think ROR in a 3C is perfect for where he's at in his career.

Don't screw up the draft and hope that one of Svechkov, Edstrom or Surin can turn into a 2C. That's a lot of wishful thinking for a team unable to draft and develop top end forwards.

 

[glenngineer]

I know there was a home/away rotation between several guys for several years, Fil and Sissons being in that group. Would the last 8 years have been any different if either of them had the C?

Honestly, that's a great question and I don't necessarily have an answer.

This is a pretty interesting list of C's and A's.

I will say this, I think we miss McDonagh more than we realize.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Josi is fine as a player. Even as a captain, I guess, since I think it's a bit of an outdated mentality to think that captains really matter THAT much.

Where he's not fine is if anybody listens to him for a gameplan or partners. Sure, he's got all that skill and wants to play Rover, he has been able to pull it off. Nobody else on our roster can, and nobody else has any business ever even trying it. Plus he should have had Fabbro stapled to his side as his partner, like it or lump it. You don't have to get rid of Josi to fix those two issues.

 

[ShagDaddy]

Every player has a point in their career when the organization should thank them for their service and move on. There are a couple of players currently on this roster that are at that point.

 

[hockey diva]

I missed y'all!

 

[herzausstein]

I really am not a fan of this new look

 

[Armourboy]

All I can say is that since Fisher retired the team has gone down hill leadership wise. Whether that is on Josi or not he is the guy with the C and he is the guy that has been allowed to play however he wants. I think it has more to do with how he plays setting and example than anything he might say.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

Can anybody tell me how and why a fan can be legitimately happy for the future of this franchise with these clowns running it? We are old team now anchored with contracts we can move and that has no true elite prospect. We get rid of young players instead of old. We sign other players and hardly promote our prospects to play those rolls. We hardly ever develop a top 6 forward so even the prospects that we do have, theu will unlikely be anything other than bottom six players or waiver claims or trade candidates Looking at the teams that are at bottom with us all of them have a players that can a fan can get excited about but not us. I'm sorry to be a Debbie downer but I don't see us being a contender in this teams cards in the near future. Trotz has set this franchise back years by not going in a rebuild 2 years ago when we traded ekholm and company. I'm one upset fan.

 

[glenngineer]

I really am not a fan of this new look

It's temporary. When they did the software update, it messed with the styling. It looks like it should be fixed in a couple of days.

 

[Kat Predator]

It's temporary. When they did the software update, it messed with the styling. It looks like it should be fixed in a couple of days.

Sort of a mess. Error dialogs popping up all over, isn't even functional in some browsers. Seems like more than a couple of style sheet issues.

 

[wmupreds]

I would be completely fine with moving on from Josi because he's 34 years old and declining (not falling off a cliff, but still declining as just about any player would at 34). If we're honest with ourselves, this team is not going to contend for a Cup in the next 3-5 years (his useful lifespan more than likely), so he's just a depreciating asset at this point.

Having said that, I think blaming the team's issues on him is ridiculous. He's a fantastic player, just short of elite IMO (mostly because of a little inconsistency, though his defense is usually better than advertised). The team has been declining since the Cup final year because of roster construction and age-related factors. We've been down this road of blaming mediocre play on the "country club" or whatever, and jettisoning guys for serial winners didn't exactly fix anything. The team needs fresh talent, not a culture overhaul.