I wouldn't write off guys like Josi or Forsberg asking out. I understand they have families here and all but guys also want to actually win something at some point in their career and the older they get it has to cross their mind at some point.
Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season
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Porter Stoutheart
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He can't say anything bad about these boat anchors he tied around his own ankles. I hope he secretly realizes differently. But you can't actually expect him to throw those guys under the bus right now.
herzausstein
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Hey if we can trade Josi for something like Pettersson from Van or even Cozens + Byram you consider it.
Roman Yoshi
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I think an admission there the team wasn't as far ahead as they thought would be appreciated. Or even say guys are advancing faster than you thought of you want to put a positive spin on it.He can't say anything bad about these boat anchors he tied around his own ankles. I hope he secretly realizes differently. But you can't actually expect him to throw those guys under the bus right now.
Also this whole thing about not calling anything a rebuild is hilarious
Kat Predator
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When you're desperate and winging it, might as well just mash buttons and pull levers frenetically. What's the worst that can happen, eh?
herzausstein
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We're tied for last almost halfway through the season.... worst case right now is probably winning our way to just outside the playoffs this season.
Kat Predator
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Well, GMBT says he's a winner and so he's going to win, darn it!
Gutting depth, defense, and giving the 3rd line a daily swirly—we're winners now!
herzausstein
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Well... this team could look significantly better with an EP and Cozens down the middle and Skjei, Byram down the left side than it does in its current format. I highly doubt Van is actually considering moving EP but i can dream. Other option is getting cozens secured now and lucking into Hagens. Next season could look alot better with Cozens, ror, and hagens
Kat Predator
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Pettersson AND Cozens?
The big trade rumor was Buffalo and Vancouver swap Pettersson and Cozens because neither team is happy with the value of either guy.
Anyway, I don't see how we can fit all that under the cap and keep our chest puffed out about all our great cereal winner signings that are locked in forever on cap crushing deals.
herzausstein
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Well in a scenerio you got both youd have to send out RoR to Buffalo along with the necessary additions like Novak, lauzon, picks, etc to secure byram and cozens and Josi to Van is fairly cap neutral. We gain about 2.8 million shipping out carrier.
EP
Cozens
Sissons/svechkov/whoever
McCarron
Draft a d man with our 1st rounder and profit. Now this will never happen but id live with it if it did
Kat Predator
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I hear you, Stoneheart.
I'm not really liking this myself. Pettersson is in the rumor mill because he doesn't play a heavy, aggressive game. He's too one-dimensional. From what I've gleaned on Cozens, it sounds like the exact same beef with him.
Bringing in 2 one-dimensional guys that might actually need to move to wing to "solve" the down the middle issue and be the core of the team moving forward is a huge gamble with a low probability of a good payoff.
You add in Trotz's comments and that they imply he's suffering a real lack of patience and that risk looks pretty bad. I know it's not going to happen and it's fantasy league stuff, but if it somehow did, the vibe of this team says BT would expect them to be instant superstars and give them a shift or three to adjust...
glenngineer
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I’d rather flame out and get a guy like Hagen’s than adding EP and Cozens. Cheaper and no loss of assets.
I don’t want them to get Petterson. Dude has a weird shaped head that gives me the heeby jeebies.
Armourboy
Hey! We suck!
Something tells me Trotz thought he had it done last night, called this morning and Buffalo's GM came in asking for someone Trotz is unwilling to let go of so it may have fizzled out.
glenngineer
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EP is locked into a long term deal and while he’s a great player, Hagens has the higher ceiling. I think we have guys who can be 2C’s in the system and grow with Hagens.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
There are some hard, hard lessons to be learned here about the nature of the draft lottery. Shall we go over them now, or should I just not bother?
Go over it now. Watching the Preds play isn’t painful enough.
There are some hard, hard lessons to be learned here about the nature of the draft lottery. Shall we go over them now, or should I just not bother?
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I'm watching the Jackets instead right now (Werenski just scored as I was typing this, woohoo!
) but I can give the quick version with this link:
2025 NHL Draft Lottery Odds | Tankathon
Detailed 2025 NHL lottery odds. View the current odds for each lottery spot to get specific picks. See the chances that a pick is traded based on position.
We're currently dead last in the NHL, so that makes it a little easier to see the case against. Note that by far the most likely outcome is moving down two spots. Moving down at all is overwhelmingly likely.
There is, however, no guarantee we finish last (and trying to assure it has more evil consequences later on, but that's a separate harangue). In truth, the "you're most likely to lose draft position" situation applies to everyone in the bottom 6 - for #6 overall (coincidentally where the Jackets are at the immediate moment) it's just barely more than a coin flip to not move down (50.5% versus 49.5% to stay in place or move up). Beyond that, "stay in place or move up" becomes the most likely outcome.
So penciling in a top-2 guy - or, even worse, the #1 overall - is little more than an exercise in misery-building. When it was the Jackets that were flirting with Dead Last in 2022-23, I was so confident we wouldn't end up with Bedard that I made a bet that if he did become a Blue Jacket, I'd have @BigFatCat999 do me up in clown makeup (I'm terrified of clowns despite - or perhaps because
- of having one for a surrogate big brother) and appear on video. As we all know all too well, Bedard did not come to Columbus.(...and Monahan just scored as I was wrapping this post up.
Maybe I should reiterate this odds thing every time the Jackets are playing...)
glenngineer
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All fair points. Top 4 picks should have what we need. Problem is, we’ll go 4 again and end up, is it Schaeffer who’s the defenseman?I'm watching the Jackets instead right now (Werenski just scored as I was typing this, woohoo!
2025 NHL Draft Lottery Odds | Tankathon
Detailed 2025 NHL lottery odds. View the current odds for each lottery spot to get specific picks. See the chances that a pick is traded based on position.tankathon.com
We're currently dead last in the NHL, so that makes it a little easier to see the case against. Note that by far the most likely outcome is moving down two spots. Moving down at all is overwhelmingly likely.
There is, however, no guarantee we finish last (and trying to assure it has more evil consequences later on, but that's a separate harangue). In truth, the "you're most likely to lose draft position" situation applies to everyone in the bottom 6 - for #6 overall (coincidentally where the Jackets are at the immediate moment) it's just barely more than a coin flip to not move down (50.5% versus 49.5% to stay in place or move up). Beyond that, "stay in place or move up" becomes the most likely outcome.
So penciling in a top-2 guy - or, even worse, the #1 overall - is little more than an exercise in misery-building. When it was the Jackets that were flirting with Dead Last in 2022-23, I was so confident we wouldn't end up with Bedard that I made a bet that if he did become a Blue Jacket, I'd have @BigFatCat999 do me up in clown makeup (I'm terrified of clowns despite - or perhaps because
(...and Monahan just scored as I was wrapping this post up.
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