Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season II
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Byrddog
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There is way too much overvaluing Fabbro this is his 368th game in the league he has 23 goals in all those games and this is his second low 20 point season. He is not a defensive defenseman either. At best he's a third pair guy and on most teams he's the 7th guy. Really the only mistake was letting Tolvanan get away he's not lighting it up but he is a middle 6 guy his loss is far worse than Fabbro.
This is our defense tonight. We gave him away for free.
Even our team was fully healthy, he'd be behind only Josi. We waived our 2nd best defenseman. It's a separate problem that he is that high up our depth chart, but it's the truth.
Byrddog
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That's the problem if Fabbro is your 2nd best defenseman there are bigger problems. One could also make a case for trading Mac back to the Bolts, most here were lukewarm about him but he is at the top of the league in plus minus this year. Fabbro is not a scoring guy so his defense has to be his strength it was not when he was here and it still isn't. I get where your coming from we have always been blessed with defense except the last 2.5 seasons and it will take another group to get back on track even Josi has started to ride the struggle bus but age gets us all.
101st_fan
I taught Yoda
Down to a 14 point range ... 62 to 76.
Best case is 5th worst season in franchise history. One more regulation loss an the team ties the 2002-03 team for the 4th worst. 2nd worst is very realistic with how the team is playing. Absolute worst is still possible if the team loses out in regulation.
Best case is 5th worst season in franchise history. One more regulation loss an the team ties the 2002-03 team for the 4th worst. 2nd worst is very realistic with how the team is playing. Absolute worst is still possible if the team loses out in regulation.
GoldOnGold
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Fabbro's playing 22 minutes a night and a +19 on a team that is neutral in 5v5 goal differential. He's played ~900 minutes with Werenski (who is 2nd in scoring among d-men) and in that time Columbus has scored 42 and given up 33 goals. The Werenski-Fabbro pair has 54.2% expected goal for. And he has 22 points in 53 games for Columbus, so on pace for a 35 point season. He plays more per night on Columbus than Slavin does on Carolina, Hanifin on Vegas, Reilly on Toronto.
He is, by pretty much every measure, playing as a top-4 defenseman, if not top-2.
Armourboy
Hey! We suck!
And Trotz thought he would actually make it through waivers 
herzausstein
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Welp... 7 games left. Max of 14 points.
1 game each against Montreal and the Islanders. Both very much in the wildcard race. I expect them to come out hard against our PeeWee roster.
Next game and last games against Dallas. Dallas on a 6 game winning streak but maybe they rest players on the last game seeing our roster and getting over confident
2 games against Utah... they're out of the race but seem to have some pride being 5-4-1 in the last 10 and on a 2 game winning streak.
1 game against Vegas who beat us last week.
Next best team is Seattle. 6 point gap and 4 more regulation wins than us for the tiebreaker. How we are playing and our last stretch of games, I have a hard time seeing us getting 7 points and getting out of the top 3. Strange things can happen though. I see maybe 2 wins - last game against Dallas and 1 against Utah.
1 game each against Montreal and the Islanders. Both very much in the wildcard race. I expect them to come out hard against our PeeWee roster.
Next game and last games against Dallas. Dallas on a 6 game winning streak but maybe they rest players on the last game seeing our roster and getting over confident
2 games against Utah... they're out of the race but seem to have some pride being 5-4-1 in the last 10 and on a 2 game winning streak.
1 game against Vegas who beat us last week.
Next best team is Seattle. 6 point gap and 4 more regulation wins than us for the tiebreaker. How we are playing and our last stretch of games, I have a hard time seeing us getting 7 points and getting out of the top 3. Strange things can happen though. I see maybe 2 wins - last game against Dallas and 1 against Utah.
Just realized we're the lowest scoring team in the league, and the next two teams each have a game in hand on us.
herzausstein
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32nd in the league for goals for per game
24th in the league for goals against per game
18th in the league for PP%
12th in the league for PK%
The sad thing is... the special teams are actually pretty passable. The 5v5 scoring is completely abysmal. Bottom of the league 5v5. Middle of the league on the PP.
Atleast we are top 10 in hits/60. 29th in the league for blocked shots and blocked shots per 60.
Porter Stoutheart
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I'm still worried about Boston. They are bottoming out hard. They're a team I could legitimately see losing out and going 0-7. Even with the games they have left against BUF/PIT/CHI. So to stay "ahead" of them, we can't afford to win more than 3 games. We should be able to not Perd this.
101st_fan
I taught Yoda
The Preds need to go 4-3-0 to reach 70 points. If the Bruins win one more game they surpass that level ... Kraken 1-5-1 surpasses it. This team isn't locked in for 3rd worst record this season but its closer every day.
Kat Predator
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Just keep Barron and his -8 and counting rolling out there for the big minutes. We can do it.
Porter Stoutheart
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Or up the minutes for Englund. He always seems to be out there getting scored on lately.
Of course, keep playing Stamkos 5-on-5... that's another easy way to get scored on it seems.
herzausstein
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Any way we can go 9D 9F? Have 5 dmen on the ice at one time and maybe 1 or 2 of them will actually do the whole defending thing
Byrddog
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The entire team is broke. The thing I have been looking for is what area are they putting emphasis on to gague what area is rebuilt first. Knowing Trotz as well all do it's going to be defense and goaltending. That's just what he has always done. But the lack of scoring is kinda epic even in the beginning years one felt more optimistic about scoring.
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herzausstein
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Only win by outscoring the opponent. Can achieve that by holding them to less goals or piling up goals ourselves. His attempts to bolster our scoring last offseason backfired. We dropped from 3.24 goals/game to 2.52 goals/game. The defense also got worse and we committed a ton of cash to our goalie who has now floundered for two seasons. All while moving away from most of the young players that were able to make NHL impacts (fabbro, tomasino, parssinen). We also moved the player that was supposed to start the season at 2C (Novak).
So we now have an rather old 1C (RoR), no 2C, a 3C (Sissons), and a tweener C (McCarron). Svechkov shows promise but he isn't going to be given free reign to learn on the fly as 2C under Bruno. For the offseason, I imagine we try to chuck some cash at Nelson or Tavares to fill in 2C so they don't have to push Svechkov and can possibly send him back to AHL to continue to marinate. Then we chuck cash at Ekblad or Gavrikov to play with Josi.
How we haven't shifted gears to a rebuild instead of retooling on the fly is beyond me.
Scoresberg
In Trotz We Trust?
I think the main thing going into next year will be whether Josi can play or not. There's not a soul in this world who can be so delusional that they think we can even sniff playoffs without Josi.
If Josi can go, then I think Trotz will burn all the cash he has available during the summer. If Josi has to hang 'em up then I think even Trotz realizes he has to take a step back and re-tool for a couple/few years.
If Josi can go, then I think Trotz will burn all the cash he has available during the summer. If Josi has to hang 'em up then I think even Trotz realizes he has to take a step back and re-tool for a couple/few years.
Byrddog
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So Fabbro is the equivalent of Josi when he was outplaying Weber . I want to see Fabbro do well but there is just no metric where I see him top 4 on a defensive team like we are accustomed to too. Yeah I'm spoiled from all the successful defensive years they have had. I mean we saw Josi, Ekholm, Ellis, Weber and others Hamhuis anchor the D for years. Stats can be good or bad but how often have players had good stats be just mediocre or bad. Look at Stamkos until he changed sweaters he ALWAYS had strong stats but he has looked pretty bad in Nashville. Or how About PK Subban his stats were pretty good in Montreal even a Norris comes here has one decent year then was just garbage. Duchene had good stats in Colorado comes here could not consistently meet those number then goes elsewhere and his numbers jump back. Now it's either stats are not always true or the Nashville organization has been a farce all along. Our expectations have been so low for so long we hold mediocre players in high standard. How about Tomasino he was the next coming for some but he has all but folded up after leaving here. He was anointed to be a top 6 player by many here. I am more critical than most here on players for sure but I am not going overpump players just because they are hometown guys.
The more I watch Blakberg spelling not right I know but I like him more. I think he is more rounded than Fabbro but will he stick I just don't know. Compared to the rest of the young player I think his chances are good. Most of these inexperienced players there not all young but most will not stick even next year.
Porter Stoutheart
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Uh-oh... I might just be delusional then...
Oh, hold on... "... can even sniff playoffs without Josi"... I mean, I don't think we can even sniff playoffs, period, with or without Josi. It's more about Brunette. But if we had the right coach and a few lineup additions and fair opportunity for youngsters, I don't think it's completely impossible we could sniff the playoffs... with or without Josi.
I just don't think Josi brings much aside from "entertainment value". He's entertaining. He doesn't help us win hockey games, however. Not saying he makes us lose hockey games either - he's is more just sort of net-zero. If you replaced him with a good defensive D (e.g. Gavrikov), we could be just as good, however.
Not that I expect Trotz to be able to pull off the necessary moves, nor replace Brunette, so it's kind of moot.
Bringer of Jollity
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If we can find a way to fill just some of the offensive hole from the back-end that no-Josi leaves, while making other moves to improve our forward scoring, I think it's possible we're a better, more cohesive team without him going forward.
PredAlert
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The Josi haters out in full force today again. 2nd, 1st and 1st on the team in 5on5 goal differential the 3 seasons prior to this one(+20, +17, +19) . But hey, that apparently doesn't actually help you win games. Tell us Porter, if outscoring the other team while on the ice doesn't help you win hockey games. what does? I'd love to hear who on this team is actually helping them win games then.
herzausstein
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Josi didn't lead us to the playoffs this year. I don't think a year older and an extra concussion is going to help him lead us there next season. The team is filled with holes and there really isn't an immediate fix out there. That doesn't diminish what josi has done. He can't do it all and honestly I like his game alot more when he isn't trying to do it all.
I now view the first season under Brunette as a fluke that gave Trotz a false sense of security into spending cash on UFAs. This team should at best next season be picking 11-14th overall
Predsanddead24
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In recent history its basically taken Josi having a Norris quality season for us to even be a bubble team. We may still not sniff the playoffs even with him but I see next to no chance we make it if he's out.
