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Well... i thought I could atleast argue that they weren't 3rd liners at even strength TOI/game.... BUT they are. Svechkov, L’Heureux, and Jankowski were the bottom of our forwards for even strength. Even post deadline, they're 3rd line. L’Heureux and Svechkov just can't get a promotion
Plus any that are actually "good" and "in demand" will go to contenders instead of bottom feeders like us. So we'll have to overpay extra or settle for somebody no other team wants.
Frankly I'd rather just ride it out with our incumbents. Except I know Trotz WILL sign some slow old guy regardless, so best to be ready for that inevitability. 
I mean, if we're wholly committed to this whole overpaying folks and kids can go f*** themselves thing, Provorov has actually been pretty decent as an all-around guy. I wouldn't want him as our #1, tho; he'd be taking the role that Skjei was ostensibly brought in to fill. That and there's going to be a lot of demand for him.
I'd take a flyer on Lindgren. Younger too.
This is just anecdotal to some of our specific players and their development. I don't think there's a systematic way to make that argument one way or the other.
I wouldn't. Especially not with the kind of term Trotz has handed out in the past. We'd be putting him right back into the "too much responsibility" situation he escaped in New York that was making him look like he was washed.
It does seem like weird timing. I noted earlier in the Ads thread how they were passed down for clear day to be eligible for the AHL playoffs. But I don't know of any reason to waive them down today.
The only thing with the Tolvanen pick was not picking Robertson who went shortly thereafter and then not trying to move him to acquire Stone was mistake number 2.
Theyre ufas to be and can't be used in the playoffs anyways if claimed. Waivers are good for a couple weeks so we can keep em up. I reckon Noone will grab em
The trouble with drooling over Dallas's picks is that it is far from clear that if they had been drafted by the Preds that they'd have ended up anywhere close to where they are at with Dallas. Dallas gets these guys ready, staples them to veterans on a line, lets them play through the jitters and mistakes, and lets them grow into their roles on the team. If we had drafted Robertson, he spends more time in Milwaukee to become a better defender, gets a token chance in the top 6, and then its in and out of the pressbox, revolving door with some joker we pick up out of the recycle bin. It's hard to put up Robertson numbers when you get developed like an Evangelista.
Agreed. The Preds have drafted pretty well over last several years. It’s post draft development where we are extremely lacking.
Something I also wonder about is the personnel in place to help cultivate a player. I don't know I've heard a ton about the leadership of Benn, Seguin, Heiskanen, but guys seem to have success playing with them while we've heard and speculated on the "country club." I wonder how great an environment it is for the young guys to thrive in for us--do we have leaders and mentors that put young guys in a spot to succeed? It seems telling to me that Josi has been impossible to find a consistent partner for and our ability to develop and cultivate defensemen has dried up. Now Fabbro and Carrier have both go on to do well in new situations.
Pavelski was a great leader. Guys would run through a brick wall if he asked them to.
Where can we find this source?
Maybe he realizes this team is pretty dead in the water and his contract is a hard move or that his heart is in Tampa. First I've heard anything about it. Stamkos hasn't been excellent but he is 2nd in goals and 3rd in points as well as our only other vet top 6 center outside of RoR. If he retires, I hope trotz realizes the state of the team and stops throwing good money down the drain. But who am I kidding.... big money will be tossed at Marner, Nelson, and Ekblad.
He'd walk away because he has a sense of self-respect?
If I had access to a stats analytic engine, I'd love to take all Pred high-level draft picks starting with Tolvanon and chart their minutes and percentages on Top 6 and Bottom 6 lines while playing with the Preds and who they were playing with. It feels like they don't stick with them on Top 6 lines, but I'd love to have the data.
