Value of: Nashville Predators Firesale: Give your offers

[Porter Stoutheart]

Lauzon - possibly get a 1st. Can play 2nd pairing decent enough. Cost controlled at 2 million for 1.5 seasons. Lays down hits which GMs love above actual defense.

Sissons - 3rd round pick. Maybe a 2nd or equivalent prospect if enough interest. Having a down season.

Novak - something similar to the Carrier trade. Struggling NHL forward or older prosect.

Pärssinen - some sweet sweet 2027 future considerations

I think this is pretty close.

Hopefully somebody is excited about Lauzon's hits stats. But honestly the player sucks. I do think a lot NHL GMs are pretty dumb, however... my main worry is more that our own Preds GM over-values Lauzon and considers him "untouchable". But if we can get even a 2nd for him, I'm in. He's just a bad player. He chases hits and doesn't play his position at all. He has no talent to be doing the pinching and jumping up on offense things he tries to do. He just gets burned over and over again. If you could somehow convince him to play a more self-contained style, maybe there's a player there? But that's not happening, so he's actually hurting our team.

Sissons on the other hand is a Good Player. This has been a terrible season for him so far. I don't exactly understand why. But historically he is a prototypically perfect #3C. He plays hard, does all the little things, wins faceoffs, kills penalties, has a way of subtle-y making his linemates look good. I think teams should try to ignore whatever he is posting this season under Brunette's weird system. Sissons is a good player, he would be a great asset for any playoff-bound team that needs a sturdy #3C.

Novak... yeah, the Preds have weirdly given up on him, with bizarre timing, so... send your reclamation change-of-scenery offers.

Parssinen is a nice player IMO. But the ship has sailed. Pick him up on waivers, he'll surprise you and be really good.

 

[Johnsie19]

LOL. f*** that. Josi is washed. And Bouchard is only getting started.

Josi is twice the player Bouchard is currently. As soon as Bouchard isn't on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl and Josi is that would be totally obvious. But it is def a win now move for the next 2 maybe 3 seasons.

 

[TheNumber4]

Josi is twice the player Bouchard is currently. As soon as Bouchard isn't on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl and Josi is that would be totally obvious. But it is def a win now move for the next 2 maybe 3 seasons.

Analytics, traditional stats, and eye test say otherwise.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Analytics, traditional stats, and eye test say otherwise.

Eye test? Well, Josi has decided that he likes being Paul Coffey/Brian Leetch/Phil Housley. Because he has no checks or balances anymore in Nashville. He ascended to God Status a few years ago. And cannot be asked to do anything differently.

But I mean, he's obviously a better player than Evan Bouchard. If your eyes can't see that...

 

[TheNumber4]

Eye test? Well, Josi has decided that he likes being Paul Coffey/Brian Leetch/Phil Housley. Because he has no checks or balances anymore in Nashville. He ascended to God Status a few years ago. And cannot be asked to do anything differently.

But I mean, he's obviously a better player than Evan Bouchard. If your eyes can't see that...

I’ve watched Josi this year. If he’s so obvoisly better then why doesn’t it show in ANY stats? Years past Josi was a god damn animal, he’s not the same player. And you are underestimating Bouchard, if you want to get educated on Bouchard go watch the Oilers playoff run last year when he actually put up Leetch/Coffey numbers, and not just pretended to be Leetch/Coffey and failing as you pointed out with Josi.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I’ve watched Josi this year. If he’s so obvoisly better then why doesn’t it show in ANY stats? Years past Josi was a god damn animal, he’s not the same player. And you are underestimating Bouchard, if you want to get educated on Bouchard go watch the Oilers playoff run last year when he actually put up Leetch/Coffey numbers, and not just pretended to be Leetch/Coffey and failing as you pointed out with Josi.

McDavid. Draistal. End of story.

 

[TheNumber4]

McDavid. Draistal. End of story.

Yes the worst argument ever, and before it was Bouchard is a product of McDrai. It was Drai is a product of McD, how’d that narrative go for 90% of Hfbaords regs that were wrong on that?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Yes the worst argument ever, and before it was Bouchard is a product of McDrai. It was Drai is a product of McD, how’d that narrative go for 90% of Hfbaords regs that were wrong on that?

I'll trade you Josi for Draistal if you want. No on Bouchard. Ok? Thx!

 

[Johnsie19]

Analytics, traditional stats, and eye test say otherwise.

1. Which analytics would those be. There are these people who say Bouchard is better than like Hughes or Makar. Respectfully it's the analytics only type people who say that. They see the underlying numbers Bouchard has and then just see him as god on ice because of it. There is a reason he wasn't even close to making Team Canada.

I am interested in the analytics you like for Bouchard though. If you have them.

2. Traditional Stats
Josi had more goals and more assists than Bouchard every yr of Bouchard's career haha. What made you even say that?

3. Eye Test: I really don't think anyone who watches both would say this. It's only the underlying numbers guys who prob haven't seen much of Josi. And I use analytics too but this opinion is bordering on preposterous. Josi was 2nd in Norris votes, 10th in Hart. He's doing that as his team's best player. Bouchard might not even be the 3rd best player on his team, it's debatable. In my opinion Bouchard is like a 50+ point player in Nashville, or basically anywhere else.

 

[TheNumber4]

1. Which analytics would those be. There are these people who say Bouchard is better than like Hughes or Makar. Respectfully it's the analytics only type people who say that. They see the underlying numbers Bouchard has and then just see him as god on ice because of it. There is a reason he wasn't even close to making Team Canada.

I am interested in the analytics you like for Bouchard though. If you have them.

2. Traditional Stats
Josi had more goals and more assists than Bouchard every yr of Bouchard's career haha. What made you even say that?

3. Eye Test: I really don't think anyone who watches both would say this. It's only the underlying numbers guys who prob haven't seen much of Josi. And I use analytics too but this opinion is bordering on preposterous. Josi was 2nd in Norris votes, 10th in Hart. He's doing that as his team's best player. Bouchard might not even be the 3rd best player on his team, it's debatable. In my opinion Bouchard is like a 50+ point player in Nashville, or basically anywhere else.

I mean “analytics” entails so many different stats we can dig up. The simplest way to convey it is looking at models that captures them all or attempts to. And on that front, simply compare the cards from Jfresh, Rono, or Hockeystatcards to get a picture of their OVERALL analytical impacts.

Bouchard put up numbers that were Paul Coffey. Over a point per game in the playoffs over as long as a sample you can get in the playoffs. Actually he has done that 2 years in a row now. I don’t think Josi ever has had as productive post seasons. In the regular season they are currently right now comparable, production wise. But the playoffs production ability puts Bouch ahead.

Eye test. I’m going off eye test of recent years keep in mind. Josi at his best I was a huge fan of and would have voted for Norris if I had a vote. But Josi of now is not the same play driver by eye. He isn’t carrying the puck and wheeling around the o zone like no one’s business. He’s barely trying it, and when he does the plays he makes aren’t as clean as they used to be. Bouchard is a more subtle player, which is why I think he’s gets so underrated by eye. It’s the behind the back seeing eye passes that he makes all the time that drive his numbers. He’s not beating guys wide like a Josi or Makar. But it’s the summation of the one touch plays, that show his extremely high iq and drive his impacts. Combine that with an all world shot. And while his contributions are not as flashy being of the one touch nature, they are just as impactful if not more.

 

[wmupreds]

Bouchard is very good. Maybe even better than 34yo Josi, and I'm a big Josi fan. That being said, I wouldn't go off this year's Preds team to say Josi is "washed". First off, 23p in 29g isn't washed by any definition I know. But he's been pressing this year in a way I haven't seen in a while, probably because the team can't score, and it has really affected his defensive game which has been underrated for quite a few years now. Put him on a competent team and I think he'd be just fine for at least a couple more years.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Yeah, you can't really measure any preds player from this year. The entire team is basically looking like career worst or at best minimal regression from their normal production. It's been an absolute disaster.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Cost for Nyquist and/or Novak to Minnesota?

 

[Soundgarden]

Cost for Nyquist and/or Novak to Minnesota?

2nd?

 

[Digitalbooya]

2nd?

For both or?

 

[Soundgarden]

For both or?

Either I'd say. Probably a 3rd and an ok prospect for Novak?

 

[VeteranPresence]

Power, Cozens, Kulich for Josi and Novak. That sets up the next chapter for Nashville pretty nicely while making Buffalo stronger today:

Marchessault-Forsberg-Stamkos
L'Heureux-Cozens-Evangelista
Kulich-ROR-Sissons
Smith-Parssinen-McCarron

Skjei-Power
Lauzon-Schenn
Wilsby-Barron
Blankenburg


Zucker-Thompson-Tuch
Peterka-McLeod-Quinn
Rosen-Novak-Benson
Malenstyn-Krebs-NAK

Josi-Dahlin
Samuelsson-Byram
Gilbert-Clifton
Bryson