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But by putting on waivers that leaves them open for the rest of the leagueHinostroza was destined for Milwaukee from the get go
But by putting on waivers that leaves them open for the rest of the leagueHinostroza was destined for Milwaukee from the get go
But that's the only way they can get to Milwaukee. He's not waiver exempt...and he clearedBut by putting on waivers that leaves them open for the rest of the league
Im leary of passing Pärssinen through waivers as well but if you are going to do it then now is the time. Once teams have their rosters trimmed down and capspace figured out, he will have much less chance of clearing. He needs to be playing games and so far he hasnt really been utilized that much with the NHL bound at campYeah, I don't think they have to worry about Del Gaizo or Blankenburg either way.
But if they were thinking of doing Parssinen and the report was just a leak of a thought/plan that is still forthcoming... I'd definitely be leery on that one. I'm just not ready to give up on what we saw from him that first year... I simply can't believe he could regress like that so quickly. He might still pass waivers, though. Other teams have their own guys. But I wouldn't take that chance now. L'Heureux and Ozzy can wait a bit if needed.
I would definitely want to keep Parssinen around at least as insurance on Novak. Maybe that 2nd line has been ok so far in a very small sample against non-NHL level opposition, I don't know. But will it work longer term?I guess it all depends on what Brunette envisions his center core as being. If Brunette wants to do, RoR, Novak, Sissons, McCarron then i dont see what we do with Pärssinen unless we are going to transition him to winger. I think Brunette has a clear idea what he wants out of the 4th line - energy/identity. L'Heureux and Ozzy really fit that better than Pärssinen.
Personally id have him at 4C with McCarron/Jankowski and Smith on wings. Let L'Heureux get a little more seasoning in the AHL until either Pärssinen completely flames out or needs to be moved to wing in which case waive him and start the training if he clears.
Agreed. I would love to see L'Heureux make the team but can't get behind the idea if it costs us Pärssinen. L'Heureux will get his look during the year when injuries happen.Yeah, I appreciate that L'Heureux and Wiesblatt have had good camps, and I look forward to them one day making the team... and replacing guys like Jankowski... but I'm not ready to give up on Parssinen yet. Of course that's just the fan view, heavily weighted by his first amazing season, games only. But he has had a troubled injury history (hence the late draft) and maybe they see some more fundamental physical limitation that they see as a long-term impediment to his upside? Aside from that possibility, there's no way I would waive Parssinen for waiver-exempt guys like L'Heureux and Wiesblatt. They'll get their chances. Parssinen doesn't have another chance.
Well, I hope that is sustained. I don't think training camp is a very good barometer unfortunately. Even in the Swiss-trip camp, I thought he actually looked very good, but the narrative got turned in a totally different direction based on other organizational concerns, so I'm not necessarily comfortable just walking away believing in narratives that come out of these small-sample events.I'm pleasantly surprised that Tomasino seems to have turned a corner. From what Brunette had said in the past (not to mention the strong trashing his game was getting from some), I had assumed he was a dead player skating. It's really nice to see the page turned and him make the case again that he belongs on this team.
If Parssinen can't beat out McCarron or Sissons for a center role on this team, the highlighted sentence makes no sense. Brunette and Trotz aren't going to elevate a guy to the second line if he's already having a hard time cracking the starting roster.I would definitely want to keep Parssinen around at least as insurance on Novak. Maybe that 2nd line has been ok so far in a very small sample against non-NHL level opposition, I don't know. But will it work longer term?
I don't really see Parssinen as a great fit for the 4th line. But anyway, since L'Heureux and Wiesblatt are waiver exempt, I think that's one case where you could use that to make the decision. It's not like the Stastney case was shaping up to be... because his competition was only ever going to be Del Gaizo/Blankenburg who are borderline themselves and wouldn't be claimed on waivers anyway. You shouldn't ALWAYS decide camp battles on waiver status only. But it can still be a factor in some cases... like this one. L'Heureux has just had 1 pro season, Wiesblatt was a total writeoff before his sudden resurrection here... neither one of them is going to be hurt by starting the year in Milwaukee.
Yeah, I tend to lean this way. I don't think it hurts ZLH to be in Milwaukee to start the year. The likelihood he is still needed at some point in the year is high as well. I would NOT want to waive Pars at the only benefit of having ZLH or Ozzy on the team to start the year. They are likely to play limited minutes at this point. Now, if they come out and it's clear cut you might have a stronger argument, but I am not sure I have seen that yet. They've been good, but the benefit is going to have to be clear and substantial to waive a player that still has a lot of promise at a position of need.Agreed. I would love to see L'Heureux make the team but can't get behind the idea if it costs us Pärssinen. L'Heureux will get his look during the year when injuries happen.
They have very different roles, so what you are saying makes no sense.If Parssinen can't beat out McCarron or Sissons for a center role on this team, the highlighted sentence makes no sense. Brunette and Trotz aren't going to elevate a guy to the second line if he's already having a hard time cracking the starting roster.
Stamkos isn't going to diss his new teammates. Everything is great today playing against AHL players. But we know Novak. He is good at some things, not so great in other areas, and we have often wondered for good reason if he can truly sustain a career at center in the NHL. No need to ignore our observational knowledge of actual NHL game play and let it be replaced by obvious PR commentary.By all accounts, Stamkos has said nice things about playing with Novak and during the game Saturday night, Novak and March had solid chemistry AND made plays that will translate into regular-season success. Can't wait to see what the three of them will do together as each of them can put the puck in the net and Novak is a great passer so that should equate to a ton of good scoring opportunities.
I get the roles aspect but he's not one of the best 12 forwards on the roster. Heck, I don't even know that he's one of the best 15 forwards on the roster. The coaches would find a place for him if he's good enough. He has not made any positive impression and while he had some good moments two seasons ago when there was no pressure on anyone to win games, he couldn't find a spot last year and he's not doing anything to win a spot this year. He's a 7th-round pick with a big frame that does a couple of things well but nothing well enough to land a starting role.They have very different roles, so what you are saying makes no sense.
Stamkos isn't going to diss his new teammates. Everything is great today playing against AHL players. But we know Novak. He is good at some things, not so great in other areas, and we have often wondered for good reason if he can truly sustain a career at center in the NHL. No need to ignore our observational knowledge of actual NHL game play and let it be replaced by obvious PR commentary.
I think you need a little nuance in your evaluation. Was he top-15 last season? Hard to tell, given his utilization. He was definitely top-10 the season before. Where is he now? We have very little to go on. I wouldn't be the least bit comfortable trying to evaluate his current slot on the depth chart based just on the hearsay or a few scattered observations of a pre-season game or practices, so I don't know why anybody else would be. But given what I saw in his first season, with a consistent role, I'm not inclined to imagine he is worse 2 years later. Maybe he is. But I don't think there is sufficient data available to us which definitively supports that.I get the roles aspect but he's not one of the best 12 forwards on the roster. Heck, I don't even know that he's one of the best 15 forwards on the roster. The coaches would find a place for him if he's good enough. He has not made any positive impression and while he had some good moments two seasons ago when there was no pressure on anyone to win games, he couldn't find a spot last year and he's not doing anything to win a spot this year. He's a 7th-round pick with a big frame that does a couple of things well but nothing well enough to land a starting role.
Novak played with good players. Who's to say Parssinen wouldn't similarly look "good" in that spot? Who knows. Again, it is all just small samples. For or against. We have a bigger data set to refer back to.You commented on Novak looking good against AHL competition yet Parssisnen didn't stand out against the same competition. Doesn't that tell you something about both players? That's exactly the way Novak should look and if Parssinen can't separate himself from AHL/prospect talent, how do you think he's going to fair against NHL competition?
I do agree with all of that. For me, the bottom line is that Parssinen was just soooooo good in that 1st year, I'm not (quite) ready to let go of that vision yet. I mean, the only additional information we have is last season where we witnessed him being bounced around and the coach admitted he didn't give him enough opportunity. I don't think that's quite enough to make a final decision on. Yet.I guess the question is at what point does Parsinnen himself become a tweener rather than a prospect. He turns 24 in February so I'd argue that point is rapidly approaching. I'd still be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to start the season but his runway is rapidly running out. Especially if L'Hereux continues on his progression at some point you're just perpetuating the cycle of overcooking guys. The other aspect is that Brunette clearly wants the 4th line to be a high energy, physical line and while Parsinnen is ok at that it isn't really his strength.