Proposal: Nashville NYR

[Riptide]

Colin Wilson is cap dump value? Damn I really lost track of this guy. Always thought he had decent value

He's scored 10g and 18pts in his last 20 playoff games, and at 26 isn't exactly old. So while last year wasn't all that good (6g/24pts, 64gms), based on his last 2 playoffs, I don't think NSH is in a hurry to dump him.

I could see him getting lost in the expansion draft (depending on who they protect). But then that doesn't change if they use him to acquire Nash, as they'd still have to make some tough choices, or lose one of Nash/Neal/Smith (protecting 2 of those along with RyJo and FF).

So honestly, not sure why NSH gives this much thought. Makes sense for NYR, but not a ton for NSH.

 

[Riptide]

That brings up something I had not thought about, 2) I wonder if players that know they are likely to be exposed will sign an extension knowing that is the likely purpose?

As long as it's a 1 way contract... does it really matter? I mean it's still guaranteed money. And unless Carle/etc has some amazing season, how many suiters will there be going forward? Not to mention that odds are they wouldn't be selected. NSH (in this case) is either going to expose a better D or a pretty attractive offensive winger (likely Neal, Wilson or C.Smith). So a dime a dozen 3rd pairing D who's far from young is likely pretty safe.

 

[Riptide]

We should be desperate for young players and picks at this point. We had a good run. Not just since 2012 but really since the 05 lockout. We've made the playoffs all but one season. That's pretty crazy to think about.

But because of that we've never drafted inside the top 5 where all the can't miss franchise changing talent is. Let alone within the top 10.

Every legit contender's best players are top 3-5 talent. It's time for us to get some of those.

Not true. Usually, sure, but it doesn't have to be.

In fact of the top 10 scorers last season... only 3.5 were top 10 picks.

Kane (1) - 106 pts
Benn (129) - 89pts
Crosby (1) - 85 pts
Thornton (1) - 82 pts
Karlsson (15) - 82 pts
Wheeler (5) - 78pts (I would like to note that he was signed as a UFA out of college)
Pavelski (205) - 78 pts
Gaudreau (104) - 78 pts
Kuznetsov (26) - 77 pts
Panarin (UFA) - 77 pts

If you go further down that list it's still pretty interesting.

Burns (20)
Kopitar (11)
Tarasenko (16)
Seguin (2)
Ovechkin (1)
Tavares (1)
Backstrom (4)
Bergeron (45)
Giroux (22)
Letang (62)
Kucherov (58)
Hall (1)
Pacioretty (22)
Okposo (7)
Stamkos (1)
Forsberg (11)
Getzlaf (19)
Krejci (63)
Eriksson (33)
Monahan (6)
Spezza (2)
Carter (11)
Perry (28)

Of the next 23 scorers (left out Jagr), only 6 were top 5 picks and only 8 were top 10 picks. Now are all of these guys franchise players? No. Some are only very good top line wingers/top 6 wingers. However most in their prime were considered 1st line players.

What does this mean? Well when only 9 of 33 of the top 34 scorers were drafted top 5 and only 12 top 10, that should illustrate that you do not have to pick that high to find elite talent. Sure you'll have a better chance if you do, but you don't have to.

 

[Spazkat]

Even if you look at the terrible injury plagued year he had last year with his lowest ATOI since his rookie year, Nash and his 15g would still have been good for 5th among forwards on the preds.

Not the best salary structure when you're paying 8M a year to your 5th best forward

 

[aufheben]

Not true. Usually, sure, but it doesn't have to be.

In fact of the top 10 scorers last season... only 3.5 were top 10 picks.

Kane (1) - 106 pts
Benn (129) - 89pts
Crosby (1) - 85 pts
Thornton (1) - 82 pts
Karlsson (15) - 82 pts
Wheeler (5) - 78pts (I would like to note that he was signed as a UFA out of college)
Pavelski (205) - 78 pts
Gaudreau (104) - 78 pts
Kuznetsov (26) - 77 pts
Panarin (UFA) - 77 pts

If you go further down that list it's still pretty interesting.

Burns (20)
Kopitar (11)
Tarasenko (16)
Seguin (2)
Ovechkin (1)
Tavares (1)
Backstrom (4)
Bergeron (45)
Giroux (22)
Letang (62)
Kucherov (58)
Hall (1)
Pacioretty (22)
Okposo (7)
Stamkos (1)
Forsberg (11)
Getzlaf (19)
Krejci (63)
Eriksson (33)
Monahan (6)
Spezza (2)
Carter (11)
Perry (28)

Of the next 23 scorers (left out Jagr), only 6 were top 5 picks and only 8 were top 10 picks. Now are all of these guys franchise players? No. Some are only very good top line wingers/top 6 wingers. However most in their prime were considered 1st line players.

What does this mean? Well when only 9 of 33 of the top 34 scorers were drafted top 5 and only 12 top 10, that should illustrate that you do not have to pick that high to find elite talent. Sure you'll have a better chance if you do, but you don't have to.

Isn't this ignoring defensemen?

 

[Halla]

Rick nash with 0 retained isnt bringing back a 1st +

 

[Gh24]

Nash and his 15g would still have been good for 5th among forwards on the preds.

So would have;
Versteeg
Clutterbuck
Beleskey
Frolik
Janmark

To name few.

15+ goals:
Cullen
Hudler
Vermette

And those are only the ones without an NHL contract.

Poile just extended a player who outscored Nash for 6 years at 2M/yr

Nashville is among top teams in points by defensemen (absolute value and % of all pts) and still Rick "7.8M" Nash would only be 5th among forwards.

Such a legit argument. Well done.

 

[jetsforever]

to preds rick nash 7.8 2 years left.


to NYR nashville 1st (most likely between 25-30 by adding nash to that already solid team) jack dougherty and one year cap dump. maybe colin wilson since he might be claimed in expansion draft anyway?

You missed a great title opportunity - something like:
Nash to Nashville
Nash/ville
Nash to his village

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

NYR/Preds proposals never go anywhere, not good trade partners right now

 

[Doriva]

So would have;
Versteeg
Clutterbuck
Beleskey
Frolik
Janmark

To name few.

15+ goals:
Cullen
Hudler
Vermette

And those are only the ones without an NHL contract.

Poile just extended a player who outscored Nash for 6 years at 2M/yr

Nashville is among top teams in points by defensemen (absolute value and % of all pts) and still Rick "7.8M" Nash would only be 5th among forwards.

Such a legit argument. Well done.

Way to narrow down my argument mate, the point was Nash at his very very worst with a niggling injury would still be one of Nashvilles better players, if you read my full reply you'd see that he's one of the more consistent scorers in the entire league I'll post it again just to make sure that you actually read it this time.

Excluding the lockout shortened season, out of the remaining 12 seasons there has been:
2 seasons where he has scored under 25G ,
4 seasons where he has scored under 30G.

7th in goals/60 since he joined the Rangers.


If Nash stays healthy he gets at least 25G and thats obviously where the risk comes in for Nashville, but I'd assume after a summer of rest the bone bruise will be fully healed and Nash will be good to go..