GDT: nascar5

[Svechhammer]

LOL

I don't know what the heck that section was doing. They also tried to unravel another roll around the entire lower bowl. To about halfway down the ice and then something happened that broke the strand (a goal I think?)

 

[Svechhammer]

Looks like the ice is going to get a lot better in the arena from here on out

Canes Announce Capacity Increase for Playoffs

PNC Arena installed a 500-ton chiller that will allow the facility to increase air flow, while maintaining the integrity of the playing surface. The Hurricanes worked closely with the locally-based Gregory Poole Equipment Company to have the upgrade installed.

The increased capacity will be effective immediately for Game 7 against the Nashville Predators on Saturday, if necessary.

 

[bleedgreen]

He actually was very good here early on. His knee flared up on him though and he wasn't the same after that when he came back. Looked terrible in FL last year too. He's clearly got some disdain for us and is very motivated and yeah I'd say he's looked solid this series but there are still concerns about his knee and consistency. I wish him no ill will at all after this series. Happy with Tro.

Well we liked him early on, and he was good. He and his wife had a miscarriage, and he scored an emotional goal after where he did the point to the sky thing which was a pretty amazing moment. He hadn't wanted to be traded in the first place, he tried to make the most of it and went through some pretty traumatic things here....I'm sure all of that is very fresh in his mind. Whatever went wrong went on behind closed doors and had nothing to do with the fans. The series starts and people just boo him and hate on him for pretty much no reason. I'd have disdain for this group of fans too if that was me.

 

[The Stranger]

Haven't read all the pages in this GDT, but for the interference call, it seemed borderline at best...when I first saw it, my guess was it would stay a goal since that was the call on the ice and it wasn't blatant (as in Foegele didn't intentionally/sigificantly impede Saros...obvious main impediment was Josi). I was surprised by the call but what really caught my attention was the lock-step agreement by the talking heads that is was clear interference...normally they'll give both perspectives on a call that close. Makes me wonder if my understanding of the rule is antiquated. The interference call in the Vegas/MN series made no sense to me either.

Also, did anyone else get pick up a less than friendly vibe from Forslund wrt the Canes/Canes Fans? One time when the crowd was booing Haula he made a comment something like "and the Canes fans boo a player they all liked last season". There were others as well that caught my attention...nothing big...maybe I was just misinterpreting.

 

[VAcaniac]

Handshake line will be lit. Necas punches Haula in the face?

 

[Chrispy]

Man, since I was last in this thread last night after an awesome win we have mostly bitching about towels and someone that I guess wants fans to chant "Situation Room you suck" or something. Can't wait to see what stupid shit is obsessed over after the next win.

Really. These are the arguments we are having? Attack the Situation Room?

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Well we liked him early on, and he was good. He and his wife had a miscarriage, and he scored an emotional goal after where he did the point to the sky thing which was a pretty amazing moment. He hadn't wanted to be traded in the first place, he tried to make the most of it and went through some pretty traumatic things here....I'm sure all of that is very fresh in his mind. Whatever went wrong went on behind closed doors and had nothing to do with the fans. The series starts and people just boo him and hate on him for pretty much no reason. I'd have disdain for this group of fans too if that was me.

I mean I don’t want to kill him, I just want him HAAKANPÄÄD. IT’S DUCHENE I HATE FOR 6 YEARS.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Haven't read all the pages in this GDT, but for the interference call, it seemed borderline at best...when I first saw it, my guess was it would stay a goal since that was the call on the ice and it wasn't blatant (as in Foegele didn't intentionally/sigificantly impede Saros...obvious main impediment was Josi). I was surprised by the call but what really caught my attention was the lock-step agreement by the talking heads that is was clear interference...normally they'll give both perspectives on a call that close. Makes me wonder if my understanding of the rule is antiquated. The interference call in the Vegas/MN series made no sense to me either.

Also, did anyone else get pick up a less than friendly vibe from Forslund wrt the Canes/Canes Fans? One time when the crowd was booing Haula he made a comment something like "and the Canes fans boo a player they all liked last season". There were others as well that caught my attention...nothing big...maybe I was just misinterpreting.

I actually think the Vegas/MN one made pretty good sense based on how things seem to be called. Foligno was in the crease (not by much) Fleury skated out to challenge and initiated contact and the puck went past on that side. Since Foligno was in the crease the fact that Fleury is the one who made contact doesn't matter since he is allowed the space within the crease. So no goal. The counterpoint to this would be Jokinen way back when in 2009. In that one since Jokinen was outside the crease when Brodeur initiated contact / got bumped it was a good goal.

Had the puck last night gone past Saros on the right side of the crease/net where Foegele was I think a no-goal call would have been the right one as Foegele was in the crease and there was contact. But since it went past on the left side of the crease/net, any contact prior between Saros and Foegele should have been irrelevant since he was not preventing Saros from moving to his left to make a save, that was Josi.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Haven't read all the pages in this GDT, but for the interference call, it seemed borderline at best...when I first saw it, my guess was it would stay a goal since that was the call on the ice and it wasn't blatant (as in Foegele didn't intentionally/sigificantly impede Saros...obvious main impediment was Josi). I was surprised by the call but what really caught my attention was the lock-step agreement by the talking heads that is was clear interference...normally they'll give both perspectives on a call that close. Makes me wonder if my understanding of the rule is antiquated. The interference call in the Vegas/MN series made no sense to me either.

Also, did anyone else get pick up a less than friendly vibe from Forslund wrt the Canes/Canes Fans? One time when the crowd was booing Haula he made a comment something like "and the Canes fans boo a player they all liked last season". There were others as well that caught my attention...nothing big...maybe I was just misinterpreting.

I agree Forslund sounded snarky and I get that. I did point out in the GDT where you might not have read I thought John and Pierre were a hard listen last night. They also kept bringing up the same points over and over. I agree the way they analyzed the interference and a few other calls just had an odd feel to it. I usually like them together. Something seemed off about them last night.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I wouldn't say really good, but that's a subjective term to begin with so there's always going to be different standards. Be he definitely looks like a good player that's far more engaged than he was at any point here after he returned from that injury he had about halfway through last season.

Engaged is a better way to say it. Yes.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Really. These are the arguments we are having? Attack the Situation Room?

to be fair, one of those arguments started from sens1canes2 so it may be an international incident not just an American embarrassment.

 

[Tryamw]

I like McGuire like I like Burnt Toast..
I don't like Burnt Toast!.
I do not like it in a box I do not like it with a fox.

 

[Chrispy]

to be fair, one of those arguments started from sens1canes2 so it may be an international incident not just an American embarrassment.

A Canadian incident still converts to about 0.8 of an American incident, right?

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think McGuire is okay. I get why he annoys people. He annoys me plenty too. But he's okay. I think he works pretty well with John because John knows how to work with an annoying partner that obsesses over weird shit. I think they sucked a bit last night.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

A Canadian incident still converts to about 0.8 of an American incident, right?

Parliamentary procedure does state a partial incident is not to be taken as serious as a full incident so, we'll shall let it slide. Consult with the Prime Minister to be sure.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Also, did anyone else get pick up a less than friendly vibe from Forslund wrt the Canes/Canes Fans? One time when the crowd was booing Haula he made a comment something like "and the Canes fans boo a player they all liked last season". There were others as well that caught my attention...nothing big...maybe I was just misinterpreting.

Yes 100% and I and others touched upon it earlier in this thread -- probably took it a bit far at times too during the game. But yeah definitely noticed that and frankly lost a bit of respect for him, I thought he was more professional than that. I think part of it is that he's upset about how things played out here but also just being a "company man" for NBC now so he's parroting the dumb shit Pierre would say, etc.

 

[The Stranger]

I actually think the Vegas/MN one made pretty good sense based on how things seem to be called. Foligno was in the crease (not by much) Fleury skated out to challenge and initiated contact and the puck went past on that side. Since Foligno was in the crease the fact that Fleury is the one who made contact doesn't matter since he is allowed the space within the crease. So no goal. The counterpoint to this would be Jokinen way back when in 2009. In that one since Jokinen was outside the crease when Brodeur initiated contact / got bumped it was a good goal.

Had the puck last night gone past Saros on the right side of the crease/net where Foegele was I think a no-goal call would have been the right one as Foegele was in the crease and there was contact. But since it went past on the left side of the crease/net, any contact prior between Saros and Foegele should have been irrelevant since he was not preventing Saros from moving to his left to make a save, that was Josi.

Yeah, the Vegas/MN was similar to Jokinen/Brodeur...good callback...I'll say all three are borderline. If I have no dog in the fight, on those close ones I tend to say no interference because I hate when games get what I would consider to be ticky-tack. If it was the Canes, my bias would kick in and I'd be thinking interference all the way.

I'll have to go back and watch the call from last night, but I thought Foegele was on Saros' left side for essentially a screen grab...and on the hairy edge of the crease...he might have ended up on the right side, but my interpretation of the call was him momentarily being on the left.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well we liked him early on, and he was good. He and his wife had a miscarriage, and he scored an emotional goal after where he did the point to the sky thing which was a pretty amazing moment. He hadn't wanted to be traded in the first place, he tried to make the most of it and went through some pretty traumatic things here....I'm sure all of that is very fresh in his mind. Whatever went wrong went on behind closed doors and had nothing to do with the fans. The series starts and people just boo him and hate on him for pretty much no reason. I'd have disdain for this group of fans too if that was me.

We don't know that (in bold) any more than we know that he was a malcontented prick. Both are obviously assumptions based on pieces of information available. Maybe he was trying to make the most of it and doing everything right. Maybe he was being a dick and was causing problems.

I don't think he's boo'd for "no reason". Right or wrong, he had a beef with a coach that is very popular with fans. Right or wrong, he's been going after Necas, a very popular player. Right or wrong, a lot of outlets have indicated it was more than his on-ice play that got him traded. How much a person wants to believe those outlets is up to them, but there's ample reasons IMO for fans to boo him.

I don't hold ill will towards him, but I don't fault fans for booing him either. He seems to be loving it as well and it's probably helping his standing both on his team, giving him motivation, and helping in future contract negotiations, so sounds like a win-win.

 

[Stickpucker]

Well said Faulkner. Whoops. I mean Faulker. I'll keep that error there.

A few thoughts from me:

1. As much as Hynes is hated by Nashville, he's been a damned good coach in this matchup. He has absolutely done everything he can to disrupt our players through physicality and breaks, causing the game to be choppy. He realizes that his team has a skill deficit and an elite goalie.
   
   
2. What the heck is up with Nashville taking 48 seconds to reset behind Saros? They get a defenseman with the puck to take a short nap, his other 4 players go ape shit skating every which way, and then they ice the puck. I swear that happened 3 times last night. It felt intentional, but stupid.
   
   
3. I can't tell if that first Trenin goal was sheer ****ing luck or absolute brilliance. He flung his stick up so fast and it was literally perfect. I at first blamed Ned on that one, but upon seeing the replay a few times it was an incredibly flukey goal that was JUST on the tip of being played with a high stick. I've never seen a deflection like that one.
   
   
4. How many scoring chances did Nashville have? I don't put too much stock in natural stat trick analytics, but they have us down for 10 high danger and Nashville for 5. Seems about right. I was worried because there were long stretches where Ned had no real work to do. They didn't have many looks near the net. Is this entirely the Slavin effect?
   
   
5. My biggest takeaway, which I've felt for years, is we are a team of confidence. We have to improve in this area. When things don't go our way, we make risky long passes, pass up scoring opportunities, and turn the puck over. This clearly happened after the goalie interference call. We stopped playing "our game" and Nashville took over for the better part of 10 minutes. When Necas potted that goal, it was all Canes. We have to be stronger mentally, to keep up our forecheck and confidence even if we're playing down. A few players keep playing hard regardless (Slavin, Staal, Pesce), but other guys like Svechnikov, Necas, Hamilton, and Bean really start pressing in a bad way. This is a "cost" of a younger team and I hope we figure this out.

Nachos can keep pressing if that's what it looks like.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

We don't know that (in bold) any more than we know that he was a malcontented prick. Both are obviously assumptions based on pieces of information available. Maybe he was trying to make the most of it and doing everything right. Maybe he was being a dick and was causing problems.

I don't think he's boo'd for "no reason". Right or wrong, he had a beef with a coach that is very popular with fans. Right or wrong, he's been going after Necas, a very popular player. Right or wrong, a lot of outlets have indicated it was more than his on-ice play that got him traded. How much a person wants to believe those outlets is up to them, but there's ample reasons IMO for fans to boo him.

I don't hold ill will towards him, but I don't fault fans for booing him either. He seems to be loving it as well and it's probably helping his standing both on his team, giving him motivation, and helping in future contract negotiations, so sounds like a win-win.

We don't like him! He doesn't like us! That's hockey, baby!

 

[Borsig]

We don't know that (in bold) any more than we know that he was a malcontented prick. Both are obviously assumptions based on pieces of information available. Maybe he was trying to make the most of it and doing everything right. Maybe he was being a dick and was causing problems.

I don't think he's boo'd for "no reason". Right or wrong, he had a beef with a coach that is very popular with fans. Right or wrong, he's been going after Necas, a very popular player. Right or wrong, a lot of outlets have indicated it was more than his on-ice play that got him traded. How much a person wants to believe those outlets is up to them, but there's ample reasons IMO for fans to boo him.

I don't hold ill will towards him, but I don't fault fans for booing him either. He seems to be loving it as well and it's probably helping his standing both on his team, giving him motivation, and helping in future contract negotiations, so sounds like a win-win.

I feel bad Haula lost his kid. No one should endure that.

I don't feel bad Haula was traded as he was, precisely, a malconent prick. Or at least he came off with one. Name another canes player that came back to this arena in another sweater and started doing the troll ass antics he does. Let alone a Finn.

 

[Stickpucker]

TT shared in a recent interview that Necas has learned some Finnish so he can joke around with him and Aho.

we know Pierre is just into him b/c his thighs

 

[Sens1Canes2]

to be fair, one of those arguments started from sens1canes2 so it may be an international incident not just an American embarrassment.

Lol. I’m like the creamer ... half and half.

I apologize if it became a broken record. I just think there’s a difference between the crowd yelling “ref you suck” and us higher-intelligence message boarders who’ve had time to digest what happened and at least acknowledge that McCauley wasn’t the “perpetrator.”

See, I’m complimenting everyone here.

edit - and now I’m listening to NHL radio and the host just did a 180 on the GI call. Apparently a new angle was released.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Lol. I’m like the creamer ... half and half.

I apologize if it became a broken record. I just think there’s a difference between the crowd yelling “ref you suck” and us higher-intelligence message boarders who’ve had time to digest what happened and at least acknowledge that McCauley wasn’t the “perpetrator.”

See, I’m complimenting everyone here.

I wasn’t complaining about you i was only pointing out that Canada should be drug down with America in this blaming. We can’t allow Canada to go unscathed that good two-shoes cousin.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I agree Forslund sounded snarky and I get that. I did point out in the GDT where you might not have read I thought John and Pierre were a hard listen last night. They also kept bringing up the same points over and over. I agree the way they analyzed the interference and a few other calls just had an odd feel to it. I usually like them together. Something seemed off about them last night.

The quality of play just sucked. If not for the emotional investment, I probably would have changed the channel over to Lakers/Suns. Few scoring chances with a road team fully embracing road hockey and a gross number of whistles. There wasn't a lot to talk about.