name any other team in any sport where the core run the asylum?

[ACC1224]

Good ol Bri Matthews

Sorry you lost me.
Are you referring to Matthews father? what salary?

 

[thewave]

Cool story bro.......this might also be a factor:

Auston Matthews ($11.6M) - 37g, 18a = 55points
John Tavares ($11M) - 12g, 22a = 34points
Mitch Marner ($10.9M) - 20g, 30a = 50points
William Nylander ($6.9M) - 23g, 38a = 61points

Top 4 paid forwards ($40.4M) - 92g, 108a = 200points

J.T Miller ($8M) - 21g, 42a = 63points
Elia Pettersson ($7.3M) - 25g, 36a = 61points
Brock Boeser ($6.6M) - 27g, 19a = 46points
Andrei Kuzmenko ($5.5M) - 8g, 11a = 19points

Top 4 paid forwards ($27.4M) - 81g, 108a = 189points

Leafs are paying 13M more for 11 more goals/points production to date. Everyone has been sh*tting on Tavares for lack of production which is fair. Marner is far too close in production to Boeser......no one uses the word "elite" to describe Brock Boeser.

10 more goals is basically all because of Matthew as well. The only person the list deserving of something extra is AM.

 

[therealkoho]

Sorry you lost me.
Are you referring to Matthews father? what salary?

Seeing as Paul is in like Flynn why not good ol Bri, you know the guy who counciled his son to withhold certain information from the young handsome GM of the TMLHC

 

[ACC1224]

Seeing as Paul is in like Flynn why not good ol Bri, you know the guy who counciled his son to withhold certain information from the young handsome GM of the TMLHC

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic and maybe this makes sense to some others but I honestly don't know what you're getting at.
All good, probably just me.

 

[therealkoho]

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic and maybe this makes sense to some others but I honestly don't know what you're getting at.
All good, probably just me.

OK
Seeing as there are some people here who have some sort of idea that Paul Marner is somehow pressuring the club to do certain things, like overpay Mitch, like give him icetime etc etc.

I think it's only fair that good ol Bri who was just as prominent in Austons dealings with the Kyle and the club, who did after all council Auston to withhold the mooning incident from the club, because he was afraid it might hurt his negotiating position. The incident only came to light because the young lady insisted that the charges be pressed. With the charges going to court the state had to confirm Matthews foreign employment., if they could have convinced the young woman to drop the charges the Maple Leafs nor the league might never have heard anything about it, as it was they seemingly couldn't have cared less.

 

[Sypher04]

Look at the teams that won multiple cups, did you ever hear about the Dads of Crosby, Malkin or Toews, Kane or Kopitar, Doughty?

Playing hardball with Nylander and Marner was amateur hour and Dubas/Shanny poisend the well that way, if Lou was still there you would have just heared player x signed for that and player y signed for that and he would have kept the dirty stuff behind closed doors where it belongs.

lol right, because Lou has never played hardball with a player before lol.

He stiffed Marner on ELC bonuses for no reason lol, which probably had a lot to do with Mitch’s predisposition going into negotiations for his current deal

 

[Sypher04]

OK
Seeing as there are some people here who have some sort of idea that Paul Marner is somehow pressuring the club to do certain things, like overpay Mitch, like give him icetime etc etc.

I think it's only fair that good ol Bri who was just as prominent in Austons dealings with the Kyle and the club, who did after all council Auston to withhold the mooning incident from the club, because he was afraid it might hurt his negotiating position. The incident only came to light because the young lady insisted that the charges be pressed. With the charges going to court the state had to confirm Matthews foreign employment., if they could have convinced the young woman to drop the charges the Maple Leafs nor the league might never have heard anything about it, as it was they seemingly couldn't have cared less.

I find it shocking how often some people here want to bring up this incident like it has any bearing on him as a Maple Leaf or hockey player.

To be clear, that doesn’t mean in any way, shape or form, that I think what happened was ok.

That said, I think bringing their Dads into is it dumb as well. It’s probably very common for parents to be involved more than they really should be, but the end of the day, these guys are adults and will make their own judgements with all the things their family is flinging at them. Mitch or Auston aren’t letting their Dads control the negotiations against their own wishes, it’s far more likely they agree with them in whatever fashion they are involved.

 

[Confucius]

Any team that Lebron James plays for.

I was thinking isn’t that the case for most NBA teams

 

[therealkoho]

I find it shocking how often some people here want to bring up this incident like it has any bearing on him as a Maple Leaf or hockey player.

To be clear, that doesn’t mean in any way, shape or form, that I think what happened was ok.

That said, I think bringing their Dads into is it dumb as well. It’s probably very common for parents to be involved more than they really should be, but the end of the day, these guys are adults and will make their own judgements with all the things their family is flinging at them. Mitch or Auston aren’t letting their Dads control the negotiations against their own wishes, it’s far more likely they agree with them in whatever fashion they are involved.

More people should be saying this or at least a version of this rebuke. Unfortunately they don't so it just lives on and slowly but surely that myth starts to become reality. The character issue I mentioned is at least fact.

Does it have anything to do with his athletic ability. Not in the least, nor did I intimate that.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Milwaukee Bucks

Actually every NBA team that has star players.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Cool story bro.......this might also be a factor:

Auston Matthews ($11.6M) - 37g, 18a = 55points
John Tavares ($11M) - 12g, 22a = 34points
Mitch Marner ($10.9M) - 20g, 30a = 50points
William Nylander ($6.9M) - 23g, 38a = 61points

Top 4 paid forwards ($40.4M) - 92g, 108a = 200points

J.T Miller ($8M) - 21g, 42a = 63points
Elia Pettersson ($7.3M) - 25g, 36a = 61points
Brock Boeser ($6.6M) - 27g, 19a = 46points
Andrei Kuzmenko ($5.5M) - 8g, 11a = 19points

Top 4 paid forwards ($27.4M) - 81g, 108a = 189points

Leafs are paying 13M more for 11 more goals/points production to date. Everyone has been sh*tting on Tavares for lack of production which is fair. Marner is far too close in production to Boeser......no one uses the word "elite" to describe Brock Boeser.

That’s crazy are you telling me that guys on 3 year RFA bridge deals are cheaper than guys on UFA deals?

 

[Maple Leaf]

mba


inferior league


rigged refs



more than here

 

[Duffman955]

LeBron is the president, GM, Coach etc

 

[Lemontree]

That’s crazy are you telling me that guys on 3 year RFA bridge deals are cheaper than guys on UFA deals?

I assume you are referring to the Leafs forwards contracts, the only current UFA contract is Tavares.

Matthews current contract that ends this season was an RFA contract that didn't buy any UFA years when signed. Contract end date walked him into UFA status.

Marner current contract that ends after 24-25 season, was an RFA contract that bought 1 UFA year when signed.

Nylander current contract that ends this season was an RFA contract that bought 1 UFA year when signed.

 

[Strangle]

God as my witness- there is something VERY VERY ROTTEN with this core. I'm telling you AM/MM/WN/JT and Marners dad tell soft Shanahan how to run this team and org. Its blatently obvious whats going on.

Having the core run the asylum isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It matters where the core wants to drive the bus

If be fine with Sid and geno or Mack and makar and landeskog running the asylum, it would probably be helpful

Our core isn’t capable of running it though, which is why they need a hard ass coach in there to run it

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The Leafs are the laughingstock of the NHL.

No coach will have success with this core. You're not allowed to talk mean about them. You can't bench them without a sob fest.

Who's the boss here anyway?

Keefe has fostered an environment where the stars call the shots. Matthews and Marner have hijacked the dressing room. Taking advantage of a rookie coach in over his head.

Well if the players, with all their success in the cup column, know so much about running the team why not just put them in charge?

They pretty much already are. The kids are running the classroom. At some point an adult is going to have to step in and correct the massive imbalances of this organization.

To bring back some respectability to a team that has become an embarrassment to the fans, the league, and the sport itself.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This is an issue across many pro sports now .. especially nba where da players run da show .. LeBron

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

God as my witness- there is something VERY VERY ROTTEN with this core. I'm telling you AM/MM/WN/JT and Marners dad tell soft Shanahan how to run this team and org. Its blatently obvious whats going on.

Every sport.

Literally all of them.

The Bucs at 30-13 fired their coach because their MVP caliber player wanted him gone.

Their is also every team Lebron James has ever been on since the day he was born.

Just 2 examples But the answer is literally every sport

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

My point is, you could spend 14 million and get a garbage return, like what this GM got. I wish we got more of a discount from our best players but I can't blame them at all. It's up to the GM to surround them with competitive depth players and we are sorely lacking that, not because of cap, we had room, but because of poor decision making.

The other concern is contracts with trade clauses seem to be given out like candy by Brad.

 

[Menzinger]

I assume you are referring to the Leafs forwards contracts, the only current UFA contract is Tavares.

Matthews current contract that ends this season was an RFA contract that didn't buy any UFA years when signed. Contract end date walked him into UFA status.

Marner current contract that ends after 24-25 season, was an RFA contract that bought 1 UFA year when signed.

Nylander current contract that ends this season was an RFA contract that bought 1 UFA year when signed.

Not to nitpick, but Matthews current deal did buy 1 year of UFA. Remember, he jumped into the league immediately after the draft, while Marner and Nylander took an extra year

3 ELC years + the first 4 of his current RFA deal cover the rfa obligation. His 5th year of his current is a ufa year

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not to nitpick, but Matthews current deal did buy 1 year of UFA. Remember, he jumped into the league immediately after the draft, while Marner and Nylander took an extra year

3 ELC years + the first 4 of his current RFA deal cover the rfa obligation. His 5th yeari Of his current is a ufa year

Marner contract also bought 2 UFA years, not 1.

 

[Jmo89]

Have you watched a league called the NBA

Yep. I was just going to say it's pretty common in the nba.

 

[darrylsittler27]

The other concern is contracts with trade clauses seem to be given out like candy by Brad.

Lets face it. You hire Lou, You put in a rookie GM then hire Treveling who didnt do that great a job in Calgary and you get junk. NYI just hired Patrick Roy, we kept Keefe. We shouldnt be surprised the Leafs have always been a poorly run sports franchise. They make moves that continually baffle fans. There was no compelling argument to bring back Keefe. He has a horrible track record yet he gets a new contract. This team is just one big gamble. Lets hope we get lucky somehow but I dont see it.

 

[Antropovsky]

This team is unlikely to win a cup, anyway you cut it. Matthews is excellent but not worth 1 million more than Mackinnon (especially on another short term contract). Nylander is good, but certainly not 11.5 million good. Marner has been a few million overpaid since his last contract and certainly won't be worth even another 11 million contract. He's going to be looking for a raise.

I don't see how this team challenges for a cup with these outrageous contracts when comparable players on other team's are making as little as 9 million per during the same year's.

This is without getting into the perception of their greed by teammates either.

New coach, new culture, get some good assets for Marner (or even let his walk) and Tavares on a much lower contract and maybe some hope. Then we need to hit a few home runs with some prospects but even then Dubas really messes that future for us too. Which is why getting some good assets for Marner is critical. Part of moving Marner is also to change the culture, isn't anyone more entitled or toxic on the culture than he is. Once again he was complaining about media when asked about Samsonov. Guy needs to gtfo... Don't like the media, go to Phoenix or play to your contract.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

This team is unlikely to win a cup, anyway you cut it. Matthews is excellent but not worth 1 million more than Mackinnon (especially on another short term contract). Nylander is good, but certainly not 11.5 million good. Marner has been a few million overpaid since his last contract and certainly won't be worth even another 11 million contract. He's going to be looking for a raise.

I don't see how this team challenges for a cup with these outrageous contracts when comparable players on other team's are making as little as 9 million per during the same year's.

This is without getting into the perception of their greed by teammates either.

New coach, new culture, get some good assets for Marner (or even let his walk) and Tavares on a much lower contract and maybe some hope. Then we need to hit a few home runs with some prospects but even then Dubas really messes that future for us too. Which is why getting some good assets is critical.

Why would any future player on this team accept anything less than top dollar? At least Matthews has the goal scoring trump card. But what's the excuse for Billy Bystander?