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LuckyDay

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Kay Whitmore

Remember he had a segment on the Canucks show "winning spirit" or something. Kooking with Kay?

Speaking of Kay Whitmore...

John Vanbiesbrouck

At the completion of his first season in Florida (1993), he played in 57 games posting a 21–25–11 record, registering a 2.53 GAA, and his career best save percentage of .924 ranked him second in the league. Vanbiesbrouck was named a Second Team NHL All-Star and was shortlisted for the Hartand Vezina Trophies.

1995 Florida Panthers would go on to compete for the Stanley Cup
Vanbiesbrouck's record
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We literally picked up John Vanbiesbrouck for the purpose of protecting Kay Whitemore from the Florida expansion draft. It worked. Whitmore had one decent season with us as a backup and there was more gas in the tank for Beezer who was stupidly let go from the Rangers in the first place.

(2007 playoffs. Dallas scores a goal in the first game of the series against the Canucks. Beezer screams out as the color guy calling Dallas "that's championship quality heart". Beezer does not call another game in this series. Canucks win the series over the Stars 4-3.)
 
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RobertKron

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Victor Oreskovich.

When he stuck to the lineup in 2011 because the bodies were piling up, I knew it was over...

I love that the Canucks have had more than one ~25 year old player just be like "ehhhh, actually this kind of sucks I'm going to go work in finance instead."
 

RobertKron

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Speaking of Kay Whitmore...

John Vanbiesbrouck



We literally picked up John Vanbiesbrouck for the purpose of protecting Kay Whitemore from the Florida expansion draft. It worked. Whitmore had one decent season with us as a backup and there was more gas in the tank for Beezer who was stupidly let go from the Rangers in the first place.

(2007 playoffs. Dallas scores a goal in the first game of the series against the Canucks. Beezer screams out as the color guy calling Dallas "that's championship quality heart". Beezer does not call another game in this series. Canucks win the series over the Stars 4-3.)

Not only did they pick up John Vanbiesbrouck just so they could lose him in the expansion draft, but they traded Doug f***ing Lidster for him.
 
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PavelBure10

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Josh Holden

Canucks first rounder 12th overall. The Regina Pats goal scorer had superb potential but never lived up to the hype. Always remembered watching him for the Canadian world juniors.

Other busts Canadian Canuck World junior members

Larry Courville
Robb Gordon
Rick Girard

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Rick DiPietro



Anyone remember Mark Wotton???
 

vadim sharifijanov

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Not only did they pick up John Vanbiesbrouck just so they could lose him in the expansion draft, but they traded Doug f***ing Lidster for him.

considering they were gearing up for GM place and the grizz, i don’t think they could have afforded to keep beezer. and with babych, diduck, lumme, and murzyn in place as the top four, i think lidster was a luxury they could no longer afford.

but gotta hand it to quinn to see that the rotating bottom pair of plavsic, slegr, and dirk wasn’t working and landing hedican/brown. i mean wow.

Josh Holden

Canucks first rounder 12th overall. The Regina Pats goal scorer had superb potential but never lived up to the hype. Always remembered watching him for the Canadian world juniors.

Other busts Canadian Canuck World junior members

Larry Courville
Robb Gordon
Rick Girard

i had high hopes for brent tully
 

Mr. Canucklehead

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Josh Holden

Canucks first rounder 12th overall. The Regina Pats goal scorer had superb potential but never lived up to the hype. Always remembered watching him for the Canadian world juniors.

Other busts Canadian Canuck World junior members

Larry Courville
Robb Gordon
Rick Girard

More recent

Rick DiPietro



Anyone remember Mark Wotton???

You mean Mikey DiPietro.

Didn’t Josh Holden suffer a pretty significant wrist injury in his last year of junior?
 

bandwagonesque

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Lubomir Vaic

Tiny highly skilled forward who was absolutely electric and the best Canuck player on the ice in his first game but couldn't overcome his lack of strength at the NHL level. Demoted again after five games, and was back in Europe permanently after a couple of years between there and the minors.
 

HairyKneel

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Kurtz was a better player. Of course he would have helped us win more games.

Awarding of NHL roster spots is not a perfect system where the 'right' players get the right jobs and GMs haven't badly misjudged what makes a successful player in the past.

It's a harder thing to 'prove' in the NHL but in MLB we can see this effect very clearly with improved statistical understanding of the sport.


MLB GMs and managers thought that this guy was one of the best 3B in the sport in the 1970s. He played in ASGs and won Gold Gloves. He was also absolutely shit (never got on base, had limited power at a premier offensive position, and had lousy defensive range at 3B which was hidden by the fact that he had safe hands and made few errors), and should probably never even have been in MLB.

There's no way similar stuff wasn't happening in the NHL and 'coaches played this guy so he must've been good' isn't evidence that a player was good.

Neil Eisenhut.
As a 1970 baby I watched a fair bit of ball through the 70's and 80's and played most of my life. Not SLOBPitch the bastadization of Softball.

I consider myself a pretty plugged in fan. I have no idea who Ken Reitz was. I'm pretty sure the GM's knew that Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Doug DeCinces, Buddy Bell and Mad Dog Madlock were far superior.

Sure analytics show flaws in past interpretations of what constitutes a good, productive player. Baseball has finally gone too far with analytics, and it's hurting the game. Some of the things that were done in the past can still be effective like bunting or a hit and run but they have vanished from the game. With hockey I feel it's a lot of noise with most of these analytic stats.


Dave Dunn
 

RobertKron

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You mean Mikey DiPietro.

Didn’t Josh Holden suffer a pretty significant wrist injury in his last year of junior?

Yeah, he got his wrist skated over and severed almost everything in there with permanent impacts and it was uncertain that he'd be able to return to hockey, IIRC.

Lubomir Vaic

Tiny highly skilled forward who was absolutely electric and the best Canuck player on the ice in his first game but couldn't overcome his lack of strength at the NHL level. Demoted again after five games, and was back in Europe permanently after a couple of years between there and the minors.

Always wondered what this guy would have looked like if he'd time traveled to the mid-00s instead of trying to crack the NHL at like 5'7" in the late 90s.
 

RobertKron

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considering they were gearing up for GM place and the grizz, i don’t think they could have afforded to keep beezer. and with babych, diduck, lumme, and murzyn in place as the top four, i think lidster was a luxury they could no longer afford.

but gotta hand it to quinn to see that the rotating bottom pair of plavsic, slegr, and dirk wasn’t working and landing hedican/brown. i mean wow.



i had high hopes for brent tully

IIRC, Vanbiesbrouck wasn't just insulation for Whitmore, but the ED rules also meant that if he was taken they couldn't also lose a defenseman.
 
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bandwagonesque

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Always wondered what this guy would have looked like if he'd time traveled to the mid-00s instead of trying to crack the NHL at like 5'7" in the late 90s.
I watched his first game and it almost felt like another Bure situation -- he was flying around the ice, had a wicked shot he could get off very quickly, and Tom Larscheid had a boner for him that would have cut glass.
 

RobertKron

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I watched his first game and it almost felt like another Bure situation -- he was flying around the ice, had a wicked shot he could get off very quickly, and Tom Larscheid had a boner for him that would have cut glass.

Yeah, this was another guy younger me was outraged didn't stick. This was on the heels of Namestnikov so I was about ready to riot.
 

HairyKneel

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Tom Larscheid was gold.

"Bure walked around Numminen like he was a Drugstore Indian"


:laugh::laugh::laugh:


He would get the hook for that today.

Murray Bannerman
 
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