Value of: Nail Yakupov to Ottawa

[Micklebot]

The not drafting Russians thing? Alot of people think its a Melnyk thing

Personally, I really don't see it as a thing at all. We don't have a significant scouting presence in Russia, so we'd likely only be keen on high profile Russians, and ones that played in NA during their draft year.

I can't think of any obvious Russian picks that we've passed over, aside from maybe Svechnikov, but you can certainly make the case that we simply preferred Chabot.

 

[PsychoDad]

Yakupov is not going to get traded at the beginning of the season.
No possible return (which is not projecting to very much) is worth not being able to find out if he still can pull it together. Tampa has been patient with Drouin even with all the theater involved and look how he payed them back, Chia will be wise to give him a one full season to finally play in a stable environment.
How much can his value decline in one more bad season? Absolutely worth the risk.

 

[LTIR]

Yakupov is not going to get traded at the beginning of the season.
No possible return (which is not projecting to very much) is worth not being able to find out if he still can pull it together. Tampa has been patient with Drouin even with all the theater involved and look how he payed them back, Chia will be wise to give him a one full season to finally play in a stable environment.
How much can his value decline in one more bad season? Absolutely worth the risk.

I can actually see Yak get traded at the beginning of the season. If Versteeg continues to look good and McLellan is happy with one of Puljujarvi\Pitlick\Khaira then writing would be on the wall for Yak. Chia will ice the best possible lineup and if Yak isnt part of it he will be dumped for minimal return.

 

[PsychoDad]

I can actually see Yak get traded at the beginning of the season. If Versteeg continues to look good and McLellan is happy with one of Puljujarvi\Pitlick\Khaira then writing would be on the wall for Yak. Chia will ice the best possible lineup and if Yak isnt part of it he will be dumped for minimal return.

Yakupov will not be dumped to make place for Versteeg.

 

[McSuper]

Sens don't have a 2nd this year.

Would work anyways . Not taking on 2 year contract on an injured player . Was agreeing to a deal to be free of Fayne a year early

 

[McSuper]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I'd offer a 3rd rounder for Yakupov and if turned down, I'd go for Tanguay. I dislike Yak fairly immensely, but for a 3rd...he could be tried on the 2nd line to see if he's a true bust or not. Think Filatov, I guess.

Why do you dislike Yakupov ? The kids a hard worker , No quit like a lot of Russian that run home . Now if you said you don't like his game I could understand that but the kid is a very likeable person .

 

[LTIR]

Yakupov will not be dumped to make place for Versteeg.

And Oilers wont walk away from Versteeg if he outperforms both Yakupov and Puljujarvi.
Yakupov can surely be "dumped"

 

[Korpse]

I would love a Lazar for Yakupov trade if it's something the Oilers would do.

I also love the idea of Lazar+MacArthur(will be on IR for his career) for Yakupov+Fayne.

Sens need to add I think, but as long as it's not B prospect or 2nd round pick I would be happy to do it.

I would hate to give up Lazar for Yakupov. While Yakupov may have a higher ceiling I'd prefer to give Puempel that oppurthnity. I really like Puempel's game, he just as to assert himself more. As for Yakupov not a big fan of what he brings to the ice.

 

[Sureves]

I would hate to give up Lazar for Yakupov. While Yakupov may have a higher ceiling I'd prefer to give Puempel that oppurthnity. I really like Puempel's game, he just as to assert himself more. As for Yakupov not a big fan of what he brings to the ice.

If I'm being honest, I can't say I've seen Yakupov play very much, and I certainly can't say I've actually noticed him on the ice much.

I'm basing that trade off pure draft pedigree, with the hopes that he will eventually figure it out. It's pretty flawed thinking, but #1 overall picks almost always turn out to be stars, so that's what I'm banking on.

 

[Sens Vader]

And Oilers wont walk away from Versteeg if he outperforms both Yakupov and Puljujarvi.
Yakupov can surely be "dumped"

Versteeg and Puljujarvi are the reason I saw a fit with a trade. We cant afford to hand Edmonton one of our top 9 forwards in return for yakupov because that doesnt fix the problem - im not even sure if Yak himself can fit the problem (i.e fill the top 6 LW hole).

Completely understandable that the Oilers dont wanna trade Yak for AHL depth and picks, but I was curious to find out with Versteeg and Puljujarvi possibly making the team

 

[oilerbear]

Ottawa hates Russians, and Yakupov isn't Tarasenko or Kucherov, so this thread is pointless.

Even Production:
#2 Mcdavid C 2.69 EVp/60
#13 tarasenko 2.29 EVp/60
#14 Eberle RW 2.26EVp/60
#15 Hoffman 2.25 EVp/60
#20 Draisatl C 2.20 EVP/60
---------------------------- #1 fwd
#37 Pouliot LW 2.05 EVp/60
#40 Lucic LW 2.04 EVp/60
--------------------------- #2 fwd
#77 Zibanejad 1.88 EVP/60
#81 Stone 1.86 EVP/60
-------------------------- #3 fwd
#92 Kucherov 1.80 EVP/60
#99 Ryan RW 1.75 EVp/60
-------------------------- #4 fwd
#126 Brassard C 1.64 EVP/60
#138 Versteeg RW 1.60 EVp/60
------------------------- #5 Fwd
#161 Kassian RW 1.51 EVP/60
#176 Pageau C 1.45 EVP/60
#179 Smith C 1.43 EVP/60
-------------------------- #6 Fwd
#188 Maroon LW 1.41 EVP/60
#199 RNH C 1.36 EVP/60
#205 Yakupov RW 1.35 EVP/60
-------------------------- #7 Fwd
#212 Kelly C 1.33 EVp/60
-------------------------- #8 Fwd
#241 Turris C 1.21 EVP/60
#250 Pakarinen RW 1.16 EVp/60
------------------------- #9 Fwd
#285 Korpikoski 1.02 EVp/60
#293 Niel 0.98 EVP/60
------------------------ #10 Fwd
#317 Lazar 0.83 EVp/60
#328 Hendricks 0.76 EVP/60
------------------------ #11 Fwd

Ottawa's top 90 and top 150 forward even production depth is 22nd in the league.

Yakupov does not stand a chance against Edmonton's RW depth
Eberle
Kassain
Versteeg
puljujarvi

Yet I look at Ott RW depth and see a potential 3rd line spot and 2nd Unit PP spot for Yakupov.

 

[DasKaiser]

Yakupov will not be dumped to make place for Versteeg.

Not too sure about that. Room must be made on the roster and the return for him could be quite underwhelming. I hope not, but I think either yak, his agent, or both have burnt the bridge with this group.

 

[Sens Vader]

Yet I look at Ott RW depth and see a potential 3rd line spot and 2nd Unit PP spot for Yakupov.

The problem is he would have to play LW with Macarthur down. Lazar is taking the 3rd line RW because his sound defensive play is perfect for that role, on top of already showing chemistry with Pageau.

Essentially we would look to get a top 9 of

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
Yakupov-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar

the only benefit I see with Yakupov here is he would be playing with two guys that are great at making plays (Brassard especially). And as a left shot he would definitely get PP time

 

[Korpse]

Ottawa's top 90 and top 150 forward even production depth is 22nd in the league.

Yakupov does not stand a chance against Edmonton's RW depth
Eberle
Kassain
Versteeg
puljujarvi

Yet I look at Ott RW depth and see a potential 3rd line spot and 2nd Unit PP spot for Yakupov.

Yakupov isn't a good fit on a third line. He isn't really a good fit in many places. But you already knew that.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Here's how I'd see it in Ottawa to start the season if they acquired Yakupov....

Hoff-Turris-Stone
Yak-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Dzingel
Pyatt-Kelly-Neil

Dzingel might be a bit out of place on the third line if they are expected to match up against other teams scoring lines, but he gives them some added speed and is probably a better alternative to Yak there. Yak gets a shot on one of the top lines to see if he can hack it.

Once Lazar recovers from mono and Neil gets his 27 games in......

Hoff-Turris-Stone
(Dzingel/Yak)-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Pyatt-Kelly-(Dzingel/Yak/Neil)

Basically, Yak would get a shot in the top 6, unfortunately on the LW. If he fails or loses his job to Dzingel, he'd get demoted to a 4th line/PP specialist when needed type role. Because injuries happen, the depth would benefit Ottawa.

I see Dzingel being a better fit than Yak on the the third line initially although he looked great last night with Hoffman and Turris which if that continues might tempt the Senators into becoming a three line team. That way with Yak they'd have....

Hoff-Turris-Dzingel
Yak-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Stone
Pyatt-Kelly-Lazar/Neil

From an Ottawa side, the most realistic trade I can think of for Yakupov would be a change of scenery type thing with Matt Puempel and the Sens adding a pick. Puempel is a LW 1st round pick who is only a year older than Yak. He's a former first rounder who has scored a lot in the AHL. But he hasn't been able to make an impact in Ottawa and if they acquire Yakupov, there'd be no room for Puempel so they might as well move him. Whether EDM does that is a different argument.