Value of: Nail Yakupov to Ottawa

[edguy]

Your desperation, will make you pay through the nose.

You have a spot available-aka you have a need.
GMs are looking to bleed you.

Only some fans are desperate.

Management just sees it as an opportunity for some guys to step up and prove they can play. ( AKA Puempel and Dzingel)

 

[BondraTime]

Sens avoid Russians at the draft, not at the NHL level. Same management group signed Kovalev and Gonchar, and traded for Filatov.

Yakupov has had every reason to jump ship from the Oilers and go get paid in Russia, but the kid has stuck it out. He may be a flight risk, all Russians are, but his nationality won't be the reason for the Sens not trading for him.



Given his struggles on the right wing the past 3 seasons, maybe a switch to his proper side might do him some good.

Plus if it meant playing with Brassard and Ryan instead of Smith and Pageau, I'm sure he'd be more than fine with it.

Sens tried their best to trade up for Sergachev this year

 

[Wadewilson]

Anything on the sens that the ducks could use?

Oil could make a pitch for Fowler and trade Fowler for trouba

 

[Mad Brills*]

Yeah, that was a murray rule, not a dorion one.

 

[edguy]

Yeah, that was a murray rule, not a dorion one.

The not drafting Russians thing? Alot of people think its a Melnyk thing

 

[VainGretzky]

The chance of getting an nhl player back who isnt 30+ or on a bad contract for Yakupov isnt very big.

Yea like the Oilers would do that think people

 

[Jumptheshark]

Oilers would be all over lazar for yak

 

[Sureves]

I would love a Lazar for Yakupov trade if it's something the Oilers would do.

I also love the idea of Lazar+MacArthur(will be on IR for his career) for Yakupov+Fayne.

Sens need to add I think, but as long as it's not B prospect or 2nd round pick I would be happy to do it.

 

[McSuper]

Well, we got a top 6 spot available now...

What would it take?

If the offers are for futures there no point in trading Yakupov . His value is low so you have to convince the Oilers to move him and a 2nd or 3rd pick will not convince them .

I think if the Oilers are going to move Yakupov he will be a sweetener in a deal for a PMRHD . Something like Nurse , 2017 1st and Yakupov for Trouba . I am not saying I would do that deal or Winnipeg would accept it . I just pick Trouba as an example because he is a RHD who is available .

 

[McSuper]

I would love a Lazar for Yakupov trade if it's something the Oilers would do.

I also love the idea of Lazar+MacArthur(will be on IR for his career) for Yakupov+Fayne.

Sens need to add I think, but as long as it's not B prospect or 2nd round pick I would be happy to do it.

Deal as long as the 2nd rd pick comes back . It replaces the one we owe Boston and it it looks like we will do better then the Sens maybe Chia can send it to Boston so he can use our picks to offer sheet someone . I hope he doesn't go the offer sheet way . I don't like them and they create hard feels . Basically you isolate that team from dealing with you in the future

 

[Sens Vader]

If the offers are for futures there no point in trading Yakupov . His value is low so you have to convince the Oilers to move him and a 2nd or 3rd pick will not convince them .

I think if the Oilers are going to move Yakupov he will be a sweetener in a deal for a PMRHD . Something like Nurse , 2017 1st and Yakupov for Trouba . I am not saying I would do that deal or Winnipeg would accept it . I just pick Trouba as an example because he is a RHD who is available .

Yeah that for sure makes sense. Adding Yak to a package to get a legit player is probabaly the best route.

It has to be futures from Ottawa because we would be trading for Yak soley for the reason we lost Macarthur. So, moving one of our top 9 forwards for him doesnt make any sense at all, just leaves us with another gap.

I know Versteeg got a PTO and Puljujarvi may make the team, thats why I thought a trade could work.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Deal as long as the 2nd rd pick comes back . It replaces the one we owe Boston and it it looks like we will do better then the Sens maybe Chia can send it to Boston so he can use our picks to offer sheet someone . I hope he doesn't go the offer sheet way . I don't like them and they create hard feels . Basically you isolate that team from dealing with you in the future

Sens don't have a 2nd this year.

 

[Xspyrit]

I'm guessing chia will probably want another struggling young player who at a time had high upside. Maybe Lazar? I didn't follow the Sens much this year so I'm not sure how he looks away from the puck but he doesn't seem to be able to do much with it.

Lazar has been playing in a defensive role so far and has a 20 pts pace per 82 games. Give him a more offensive role (like a full season with Smith and Pageau) and he would easily crack 30 pts. Still will be very young and more untapped potential, like Fisher or Kesler back in the day.

Interested in Yakupov, but trading Lazar creates a hole on RW and we're not sure Yakupov will upgrade the team vs Lazar.

Any chance Smith would be available? I don't think anyone expects him to duplicate his last season, however he would be the #3C to nicely round out the Oil's top 9.

Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-RNH-Draisaitl
Pouliot-Smith-Versteeg

That might be a good idea because Smith will be UFA after this season and the Sens won't be able to afford him (keep money for Stone and Karlsson). However, Yakupov makes 2.5 this season so he might end up costing as much or even more than Smith, who is a pretty useful player when not scoring.

Anything on the sens that the ducks could use?

Oil could make a pitch for Fowler and trade Fowler for trouba

a LW or RW

What would you want for Silfverberg? We loved him

Yeah, that was a murray rule, not a dorion one.

It's not a rule... It's intelligence. Sens did draft MANY Russians (just look at draft history under Muckler) and it blew up in their face. Also, the "flight risk" is a very real thing, so the Sens just don't want to risk that since they really need their 1st round picks or a proven player (Ryan)

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Why not just give Alex Tanguay a contract?

 

[SpezDispenser]

Why not just give Alex Tanguay a contract?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I'd offer a 3rd rounder for Yakupov and if turned down, I'd go for Tanguay. I dislike Yak fairly immensely, but for a 3rd...he could be tried on the 2nd line to see if he's a true bust or not. Think Filatov, I guess.

 

[bert]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I'd offer a 3rd rounder for Yakupov and if turned down, I'd go for Tanguay. I dislike Yak fairly immensely, but for a 3rd...he could be tried on the 2nd line to see if he's a true bust or not. Think Filatov, I guess.

This is how I feel. However I watch Yak and then I think no thanks he doesnt know where to go on the ice.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

The Sens would have to be really sure about Yakupov to move Smith for him. Obviously, Yakupov's upside if he reaches it is much greater than the player Smith is, but as of now Smith is significantly more useful to the Senators. He's a big part of their third line, and pairing him with Pageau gives the Sens a defensive line with both a decent lefty and righty on faceoffs. Smith also provides the Sens with tremendous depth at centre if one of their top 3 Cs goes down. Until proven otherwise, Lazar isn't ready for 3C duty, and Kelly might no longer be good enough to do it. So Smith provides Ottawa with a nice contingency plan if one of Turris/Brass/Pageau go down.

I really don't think Ottawa would be interested in moving one of their current top 9 players for Yakupov. The entire point of acquiring a player is more to bolster depth than getting a true 2LW (yes I know Yak is technically a RW). What I mean by this is that outside of overpaying, there aren't really any options for a long term proven 2LW on the trade market right now. But there are guys like Rieder, Yakupov, Tanguay via PTO who give Ottawa another 3rd liner (with maybe 2LW upside in Rieder and Yaks case) and keep it so they aren't relying on 4th liners to play bigger minutes. Same thing they brought up on TSN last night, Smith isn't ideal but is FINE as a 2LW, but bringing Smith up to the Brassard line creates a ripple effect where Pyatt is potentially playing above his level at 3LW and so on.

Unless the Sens think they are pulling a fast one, and are sure Yakupov is going to mould into a strong top 6 forward, the entire point of trading for him is to ADD DEPTH. Which is why giving up a top 9 forward is a lateral move that they won't make. If the Sens aren't sold on Puempel's ability to earn the 2LW spot, I could see them trying to offer a 3rd+Puempel for Yakupov with a 5th thrown in for old times sake to get Edmonton to retain 1.25M in a change of scenery type move. Whether Edmonton would be willing to cut bait on Yakupov for mid picks and a first rounder of similar age who has scored at every level but hasn't put it together in the NHL is a different story.

 

[Connor]

Edmonton has no need for futures. They would want a player back.

I'm an Oiler fan but what you posted is what EVERY person on HF says about their team; "We need players, not prospects/picks", "We'll trade our 3 pieces for your one piece", "We don't want your quantity for our quality"

Oilers could use depth. The AHL is pretty weak for players coming who could play top 6/top 4.

 

[Sens Vader]

I know Yak isnt very good, but how bad is he when he plays LW?

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I'm an Oiler fan but what you posted is what EVERY person on HF says about their team; "We need players, not prospects/picks", "We'll trade our 3 pieces for your one piece", "We don't want your quantity for our quality"

Oilers could use depth. The AHL is pretty weak for players coming who could play top 6/top 4.

People completely discount that draft picks are a common currency in the NHL. Just because a team acquires a pick, doesn't mean they have to use it to draft a player. They can trade it anytime between now and the draft for something else.

There'll be a player down the line that the Oilers want via trade that'll cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If they still have Yakupov, good chance that team wouldn't take Yakupov for that player even know Yak's value might be pegged as the same as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Every team needs draft picks, but teams that aren't necessarily rebuilding sell players for picks all the time because there is a salary cap and waivers, and picks can be used as a currency of equal value to the player they had to sell off.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Lazar for Yak get it done

 

[Sens Vader]

Lazar for Yak get it done

easy no from ottawa

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Lazar for Yak? Where do we sign.

 

[Connor]

I know Yak isnt very good, but how bad is he when he plays LW?

Yakupov's underlying numbers were supposedly better when he played left wing as opposed to right.

 

[Connor]

People completely discount that draft picks are a common currency in the NHL. Just because a team acquires a pick, doesn't mean they have to use it to draft a player. They can trade it anytime between now and the draft for something else.

There'll be a player down the line that the Oilers want via trade that'll cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If they still have Yakupov, good chance that team wouldn't take Yakupov for that player even know Yak's value might be pegged as the same as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Every team needs draft picks, but teams that aren't necessarily rebuilding sell players for picks all the time because there is a salary cap and waivers, and picks can be used as a currency of equal value to the player they had to sell off.

True. I do think a team could have too many draft picks (if they don't trade them); a team will only have so many roster spots open up per year.

I would think in an ideal world a team would want at least two forwards and two defencemen pushing from the AHL to be top 6/top 4 players on the team.