Value of: Nail Yakupov to Ottawa

[Sens Vader]

Well, we got a top 6 spot available now...

What would it take?

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[MessierII]

I'm guessing chia will probably want another struggling young player who at a time had high upside. Maybe Lazar? I didn't follow the Sens much this year so I'm not sure how he looks away from the puck but he doesn't seem to be able to do much with it.

 

[McWeber]

Lazar is what initially comes to mind. A good prospect might do it if Versteeg continues to show well at camp.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I'm guessing chia will probably want another struggling young player who at a time had high upside. Maybe Lazar? I didn't follow the Sens much this year so I'm not sure how he looks away from the puck but he doesn't seem to be able to do much with it.

Puempel fits this description. First round pick who is known as a goal scorer, scored in junior, in the AHL, but has been lost in the shuffle in Ottawa due to there being no offensive opportunities for him on the left side. Is only a year older than Yakupov. Although, unless Boucher isn't high on Puempel, it doesn't make a ton of sense to swap him for Yakupov before seeing if he can deliver in the 2LW spot. He's been stuck on the fourth line his entire time in Ottawa and was forced to start in the AHL despite making the team last year because he was waiver exempt and Prince wasn't.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Lazar is what initially comes to mind. A good prospect might do it if Versteeg continues to show well at camp.

Ottawa trading Lazar for Yakupov makes no sense for the Sens. Ottawa would be looking to acquire Yakupov to play top 6 LW and replace MacArthur, but moving Lazar means Neil would be the 3RW. Yakupov is very much a project/long shot at this point and Ottawa has guys like Puempel/Dzingel in the system who they would look to. They also can lean on Smith who isn't an ideal 2LW but is solid enough to fill in there right now. If Yak is cheap, like 3rd round pick cheap, sure it is worth the risk. But Lazar seems more useful to me than Yak at this point. There is no guarantee Yak comes to Ottawa and doesn't suffer from the same issues that have stunted him in EDM just because there is a 2LW spot available for him.

If Ottawa acquires Yak, it'll be for futures because they need to add another NHL forward. Subtracting an NHL forward to add an NHL forward doesn't solve their problem.

 

[spaghtti]

Although Yakupov shoots left handed he preffers to play RW

 

[spader]

Ottawa trading Lazar for Yakupov makes no sense for the Sens. Ottawa would be looking to acquire Yakupov to play top 6 LW and replace MacArthur, but moving Lazar means Neil would be the 3RW. Yakupov is very much a project/long shot at this point and Ottawa has guys like Puempel/Dzingel in the system who they would look to. They also can lean on Smith who isn't an ideal 2LW but is solid enough to fill in there right now. If Yak is cheap, like 3rd round pick cheap, sure it is worth the risk. But Lazar seems more useful to me than Yak at this point. There is no guarantee Yak comes to Ottawa and doesn't suffer from the same issues that have stunted him in EDM just because there is a 2LW spot available for him.

If Ottawa acquires Yak, it'll be for futures because they need to add another NHL forward. Subtracting an NHL forward to add an NHL forward doesn't solve their problem.

Agreed. They'd be happy to take him for picks, but the Sens definitely aren't sending NHL players back after potentially losing 33% of the top 9 (Stone, Mac, Lazar).

I'm guessing the Oil isn't trading for a player who JUST contracted mono anyway.

 

[tinfish]

Ottawa trading Lazar for Yakupov makes no sense for the Sens. Ottawa would be looking to acquire Yakupov to play top 6 LW and replace MacArthur, but moving Lazar means Neil would be the 3RW. Yakupov is very much a project/long shot at this point and Ottawa has guys like Puempel/Dzingel in the system who they would look to. They also can lean on Smith who isn't an ideal 2LW but is solid enough to fill in there right now. If Yak is cheap, like 3rd round pick cheap, sure it is worth the risk. But Lazar seems more useful to me than Yak at this point. There is no guarantee Yak comes to Ottawa and doesn't suffer from the same issues that have stunted him in EDM just because there is a 2LW spot available for him.

If Ottawa acquires Yak, it'll be for futures because they need to add another NHL forward. Subtracting an NHL forward to add an NHL forward doesn't solve their problem.

Edmonton has no need for futures. They would want a player back.

 

[spader]

Edmonton has no need for futures. They would want a player back.

Ottawa has no interest in sending players after losing a large chunk of its top-9. If what you say is accurate, that settles it. Keep in mind, the trade was originally a means to deal with yet another player getting injured in Ottawa. If Yak can't be had for futures (which would be surprising if true), the Sens move on.

Next!

 

[Stuzchuk]

I'd prefer not to get into this... but please, no, not Yakupov to OTT... and if GMPD follows the tradition they will avoid Russians at all cost

and Yakupov is a natural RW

 

[WesMcCauley]

Edmonton has no need for futures. They would want a player back.

The chance of getting an nhl player back who isnt 30+ or on a bad contract for Yakupov isnt very big.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

What about a D prospect or two from Ottawa?

 

[Hale The Villain]

What about a D prospect or two from Ottawa?

Sens can't really spare any D prospects. Only blue-chipper in the system is Chabot, then there's guys that could be good 2nd/3rd pairing D like Englund and Jaros. Lajoie looks to be a good one too, but he's many years away.

 

[Hale The Villain]

What about Lazar + MacArthur for Yakupov + Fayne?

Swap of Lazar and Yakupov, with the budget conscious Sens taking the cap hit of Fayne off the Oilers to dump MacArthur to the comparatively wealthy Oilers, who can afford to pay him money to not play if it means opening up cap.

 

[spaghtti]

What about Lazar + MacArthur for Yakupov + Fayne?

Swap of Lazar and Yakupov, with the budget conscious Sens taking the cap hit of Fayne off the Oilers to dump MacArthur to the comparatively wealthy Oilers, who can afford to pay him money to not play if it means opening up cap.

I would think the Sens would have to pay a premium to dump MacArthur onto an other team as every other team has had to do to rid themselves of injured players unlikely to play again. What you offered does not cover such premium

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'd prefer not to get into this... but please, no, not Yakupov to OTT... and if GMPD follows the tradition they will avoid Russians at all cost

and Yakupov is a natural RW

Sens avoid Russians at the draft, not at the NHL level. Same management group signed Kovalev and Gonchar, and traded for Filatov.

Yakupov has had every reason to jump ship from the Oilers and go get paid in Russia, but the kid has stuck it out. He may be a flight risk, all Russians are, but his nationality won't be the reason for the Sens not trading for him.

Although Yakupov shoots left handed he preffers to play RW

Given his struggles on the right wing the past 3 seasons, maybe a switch to his proper side might do him some good.

Plus if it meant playing with Brassard and Ryan instead of Smith and Pageau, I'm sure he'd be more than fine with it.

 

[tinfish]

The chance of getting an nhl player back who isnt 30+ or on a bad contract for Yakupov isnt very big.

Then we keep him.

 

[Taytro]

What about Lazar + MacArthur for Yakupov + Fayne?

Swap of Lazar and Yakupov, with the budget conscious Sens taking the cap hit of Fayne off the Oilers to dump MacArthur to the comparatively wealthy Oilers, who can afford to pay him money to not play if it means opening up cap.

Oilers have a lot of LW Depth ahead of MacArthur and a lot of C depth ahead of Lazar. LW is Lucic, Pouliot, and Maroon. C is McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl... All of which would get bumps over MacArthur and Lazar. Maybe I could see Yak traded for a younger #5/6 right shot D man but that is a fairly specific ask. Other than that I think they'll wait to see what he brings this year (and let Puljujärvi stay in AHL) before trading him in a few months.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Any chance Smith would be available? I don't think anyone expects him to duplicate his last season, however he would be the #3C to nicely round out the Oil's top 9.

Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-RNH-Draisaitl
Pouliot-Smith-Versteeg

 

[Blitzago*]

Sens avoid Russians at the draft, not at the NHL level. Same management group signed Kovalev and Gonchar, and traded for Filatov.

Yakupov has had every reason to jump ship from the Oilers and go get paid in Russia, but the kid has stuck it out. He may be a flight risk, all Russians are, but his nationality won't be the reason for the Sens not trading for him.



Given his struggles on the right wing the past 3 seasons, maybe a switch to his proper side might do him some good.

Plus if it meant playing with Brassard and Ryan instead of Smith and Pageau, I'm sure he'd be more than fine with it.

He struggles even more at LW.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I would think the Sens would have to pay a premium to dump MacArthur onto an other team as every other team has had to do to rid themselves of injured players unlikely to play again. What you offered does not cover such premium

Salaries are pretty much equal until Fayne's contract is up in two years. The question is: would Oilers ownership be okay with spending 9.5M on the remaining two years of MacArthur's contract in order to (1) swap Lazar and Yakupov, which at this point in time is a definite upgrade in terms of value for the Oilers, and (2) get rid of Fayne's contract.

They may need a bit more coming back, but it's hardly a bad offer. Makes both teams better.

Oilers have a lot of LW Depth ahead of MacArthur and a lot of C depth ahead of Lazar. LW is Lucic, Pouliot, and Maroon. C is McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl... All of which would get bumps over MacArthur and Lazar. Maybe I could see Yak traded for a younger #5/6 right shot D man but that is a fairly specific ask. Other than that I think they'll wait to see what he brings this year (and let Puljujärvi stay in AHL) before trading him in a few months.

MacArthur's career is likely finished. Just had his 3rd concussion in a little over a year. That deal never would have been offered if he was healthy.

He struggles even more at LW.

Bummer. There's always the possibility that Ryan can move back to LW and Yakupov can play in the top 6 with him and Brassard, or he can be the 3rd line RW with Smith and Pageau and get some PP time. Would probably do a better job than Lazar in either role.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Your desperation, will make you pay through the nose.

You have a spot available-aka you have a need.
GMs are looking to bleed you.

 

[Taytro]

Salaries are pretty much equal until Fayne's contract is up in two years. The question is: would Oilers ownership be okay with spending 9.5M on the remaining two years of MacArthur's contract in order to (1) swap Lazar and Yakupov, which at this point in time is a definite upgrade in terms of value for the Oilers, and (2) get rid of Fayne's contract.

They may need a bit more coming back, but it's hardly a bad offer. Makes both teams better.



MacArthur's career is likely finished. Just had his 3rd concussion in a little over a year. That deal never would have been offered if he was healthy.



Bummer. There's always the possibility that Ryan can move back to LW and Yakupov can play in the top 6 with him and Brassard, or he can be the 3rd line RW with Smith and Pageau and get some PP time. Would probably do a better job than Lazar in either role.

I don't really see your reasoning on how Lazar is a definite value upgrade on Yakupov. Yaks worst year is more productive than Lazars best (though he's been in the league for only 2). They're essentially the same age, Edmonton has literally no need to trade for a 3rd line C when they have one in PTO and 3 very strong centres. You even say you think Yakupov would be better than Lazar in similar roles. Even Keeping Yak for a bit of the season on RW so Puljujärvi can develop in the AHL is more useful than trading him for Lazar.

Fayne isn't entirely a cap dump, his contract is awful but he's a serviceable player to EDM. He's the only RHD other than Larsson, and while he started the year bad, he finished it okay and can stick around in a 5th/6th defender role until EDM figures out the right side. So adding a useful player from Edmonton while taking back one that won't ever play again just doesn't make sense...

Wouldn't give up Yak for Lazar straight up let alone add extra to get Lazar while making a bigger mockery out of our defence to do it. I'd like to hear why you think this trade would make Edmonton better.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Ottawa hates Russians, and Yakupov isn't Tarasenko or Kucherov, so this thread is pointless.

 

[MessierII]

Ottawa trading Lazar for Yakupov makes no sense for the Sens. Ottawa would be looking to acquire Yakupov to play top 6 LW and replace MacArthur, but moving Lazar means Neil would be the 3RW. Yakupov is very much a project/long shot at this point and Ottawa has guys like Puempel/Dzingel in the system who they would look to. They also can lean on Smith who isn't an ideal 2LW but is solid enough to fill in there right now. If Yak is cheap, like 3rd round pick cheap, sure it is worth the risk. But Lazar seems more useful to me than Yak at this point. There is no guarantee Yak comes to Ottawa and doesn't suffer from the same issues that have stunted him in EDM just because there is a 2LW spot available for him.

If Ottawa acquires Yak, it'll be for futures because they need to add another NHL forward. Subtracting an NHL forward to add an NHL forward doesn't solve their problem.

Yakupov has never had any semblance of success playing left wing. I'd scrap that plan if that's the case.