Muzzin trade

[Peter James Bond II]

Sean Durzi....leading scorer in Memorial Cup with 7 points!

leaders:

Memorial Cup

Durzi:

Memorial Cup

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Sean Durzi....leading scorer in Memorial Cup with 7 points!

leaders:

Memorial Cup

Durzi:

Memorial Cup

I think people are starting to realize why the Kings wanted him in the trade for Muzzin. Durzi is a Krug like puck mover if all goes well. He makes a terrific first pass, and he thinks the game intelligently. Trade is looking better and better with time, and the Kings still have the #22 to pick add to it.

 

[TruKingFan]

why are people saying this?
i have not seen any reports lately that would suggest he's out of commission forever.
i would seriously read deeshamrock's previous post where he/she said that the guy is 19-20 with dreams of nhl. he's not going to give that up unless he really can't stand up.

I think just the lack of any news about his condition is why a lot of people have downgraded their expectations to the point where he will never play in the NHL.

 

[KingsFan7824]

For sure, Muzzin was one of the guys that had to go, not disputing that. Just wish we had a real talent that could actually score a goal to get excited about since it looks like Villardi is never going to be able to pull up his own undies again.

That's why they have to get picks in any situation they can.

why are people saying this?
i have not seen any reports lately that would suggest he's out of commission forever.
i would seriously read deeshamrock's previous post where he/she said that the guy is 19-20 with dreams of nhl. he's not going to give that up unless he really can't stand up.

Until Back Injury is on the ice for an extended period of time, doing something real while out there, there's no reason to suggest he's in commission. There are no reports whatsoever, and the last thing we know is he was too hurt to play.

I value a #2 defenseman higher than a tweeter top nine forward, but okay whatever.

I think anyone would. The issue is that where were the Kings going with Muzzin as #2?

I don't agree with your assertion that Muzzin would not have re-signed with the Kings next season. He was already on a team-friendly deal and seemed to be gaining respect as a veteran in the locker room.

Why would you want to re-sign yet another 30+ year old on a team that quit before the first day of camp? Doughty was the last Cup contract.

It's important that the Kings get something more than just Grundstrom out of the trade.

I'd say that's why they got 3 assets. Unfortunately, Blake didn't have much leverage. He likely wasn't going to have more next year either, with even more pressure to get something out of a Muzzin deal. At least Muzzin wasn't completely embarrassing himself this year, so, strike while that iron is hot. Trade him a year too early, rather than a year too late.

The hole that's created by Muzzin's departure is quite large, and no one on the Kings' prospect list seems ready to fill it. The Kings have Doughty, then a bunch of #4/5/6/7 guys for next season. Gonna be ugly next year.

Would've been with Muzzin too. Yeah, the Kings are in for a long period of irrelevancy. Every move they make should be with an eye toward 24-25, when everyone involved with the Cup years other than Doughty is finally gone.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

One aspect that has been overlooked in this trade, especially with how the Durzi > Lilegren decision the Kings made. With the 2021 expansion draft being held in the summer of 2021. The Kings can only protect 3 D men with 3 or more years of AHL/NHL experience. Durzi is expansion exempt. He will have only 2 pro years of experience. Now it was highly likely the Kings preferred Durzi from a hockey player regardless, but given he is and Lilegren is not draft exempt. This is another caveat in the Kings favour in the Muzzin trade. Going to give the Kings Mgt credit here, well executed over the Leafs mgt.

 

[Mats26]

Not sure you got it right.
Seattle mock expansion draft: Atlantic Division's protection lists, picks

POS.	PROTECTED PLAYERS
F	Auston Matthews
F	John Tavares
F	Mitch Marner
F	William Nylander
F	Kasperi Kapanen
F	Nazem Kadri
F	Andreas Johnsson
D	Morgan Rielly
D	Travis Dermott
D	Nikita Zaitsev
G	Frederik Andersen

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pick: Connor Brown (F)
Other considerations: Andreas Borgman (D), Garret Sparks (G), Zach Hyman (F, UFA 2021), Calle Rosen (D, UFA 2021)
As it stands now, the Maple Leafs look primed to protect all of their top NHL assets. Plus, up-and-coming defensemen Rasmus Sandin and Timothy Liljegren - the club's most recent first-round picks - are exempt. Seattle then projects to select Brown, the hard-working, versatile winger.

 

[kovacro]

The Expansion mock drafts are amusing to me. We are two years away (June 2021) so it's really impossible to project what will happen with rosters by then.

Looking at that Leafs roster above, I could see 3-4 that will not even be on the team at that time.

@Mats26, that seems correct about Liljegren. According to CapFriendly he is exempt.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Not sure you got it right.
Seattle mock expansion draft: Atlantic Division's protection lists, picks

POS.	PROTECTED PLAYERS
F	Auston Matthews
F	John Tavares
F	Mitch Marner
F	William Nylander
F	Kasperi Kapanen
F	Nazem Kadri
F	Andreas Johnsson
D	Morgan Rielly
D	Travis Dermott
D	Nikita Zaitsev
G	Frederik Andersen

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pick: Connor Brown (F)
Other considerations: Andreas Borgman (D), Garret Sparks (G), Zach Hyman (F, UFA 2021), Calle Rosen (D, UFA 2021)
As it stands now, the Maple Leafs look primed to protect all of their top NHL assets. Plus, up-and-coming defensemen Rasmus Sandin and Timothy Liljegren - the club's most recent first-round picks - are exempt. Seattle then projects to select Brown, the hard-working, versatile winger.

Here is how it affects the Kings, and why they may have preferred Durzi over Lilegren even more.

According to Sportnet. For Seattle in the expansion draft. Here is who they can and cannot pick.

Players with no-movement clauses will be protected automatically. Also, any first- or second-year professionals and all unsigned draft choices are exempt.

Seattle's possible NHL expansion draft would have same rules as Vegas - Sportsnet.ca

I think this includes AHL, and not only NHL. The AHL is a pro league, and Lilegren and Sandin will have played including this year . 3 pro years of hockey by the expansion draft.

Durzi played in the OHL this year. He will be draft exempt. The Kings may have out foxed GM Dubas. Not that they preferred Lilegren anyway, if they had taken him. They may have been in a position of leaving him unprotected in the expansion draft.

If this is so, the Muzzin trade with Durzi's all star performance in the Memorial Cup, Grundstrom's early promising start, and the still to go #22 pick, just may be a slam dunk win by the Kings over the Leafs.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The Expansion mock drafts are amusing to me. We are two years away (June 2021) so it's really impossible to project what will happen with rosters by then.

Looking at that Leafs roster above, I could see 3-4 that will not even be on the team at that time.

@Mats26, that seems correct about Liljegren. According to CapFriendly he is exempt.

Yes Capfriendly is a good source, they do not make mistakes. I am somewhat confused on why Lilegren is draft exempt when including this year he has played 2 years in the AHL, and a player like Bellows for the Isles is not when he has played only 1 year in the AHL. Both are from the 2017 draft. Not sure? May have to look into this more.

One thing I do know is Durzi is draft exempt 100%. He has no pro experience at the moment to count.

 

[kovacro]

@The Winter Soldier, on second glance you appear correct regarding Liljegren.

I noticed the following on CapFriendly:

PLEASE NOTE:

1. The rosters and eligible players will change as we get closer to the expansion draft
2. The rosters and eligible players are presented using their current stats and are projected for the 2021 offseason
3. The 40/70 games played requirements will not be considered until the beginning of the 2019-20 season.
4. All players who are not under contract in 2020-21 are currently assumed to be extended until the end of that season.

I think I am incorrect in my initial thought that he would not be eligible. Looks as if he would be.

 

[Mats26]

Here is how it affects the Kings, and why they may have preferred Durzi over Lilegren even more.

According to Sportnet. For Seattle in the expansion draft. Here is who they can and cannot pick.

Players with no-movement clauses will be protected automatically. Also, any first- or second-year professionals and all unsigned draft choices are exempt.

Seattle's possible NHL expansion draft would have same rules as Vegas - Sportsnet.ca

I think this includes AHL, and not only NHL. The AHL is a pro league, and Lilegren and Sandin will have played including this year . 3 pro years of hockey by the expansion draft.

Durzi played in the OHL this year. He will be draft exempt. The Kings may have out foxed GM Dubas. Not that they preferred Lilegren anyway, if they had taken him. They may have been in a position of leaving him unprotected in the expansion draft.

If this is so, the Muzzin trade with Durzi's all star performance in the Memorial Cup, Grundstrom's early promising start, and the still to go #22 pick, just may be a slam dunk win by the Kings over the Leafs.

...any first- or second-year professionals and all unsigned draft choices are exempt.

Is this clause in affect at the time of the draft or starting this year?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

...any first- or second-year professionals and all unsigned draft choices are exempt.

Is this clause in affect at the time of the draft or starting this year?

I would say it's before the 2021 Expansion draft. Anything before this date counts as professional years. 40/70 rule of games played.

 

[Mats26]

I would say it's before the 2021 Expansion draft. Anything before this date counts as professional years. 40/70 rule of games played.

I got the info on The Score website so not sure why they would say that both Rasmus Sandin(1 year pro) and Timothy Liljegren(2 year pro) are exempt but Clague(1 year pro) needs protection according to Cap Friendly. They should all have 3 years + pro by 2021 but I guess we'll wait for Cap Friendly to update their lists then.

For the Kings the new kids coming to the farm in September are all safe so we'll probably have Doughty and Clague that need protection. I don't expect Martinez and Forbort to be around till 2021.
Might be one of the reasons they went for Durzi and that would be a shrewd move. It does give us a cushion for that 3rd protection slot at D.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

All this talk about expansion draft seems a little premature to me. I understand that Blake/team need to take this into consideration so they don’t lose someone they really want to keep, but our roster in 2021 should look quite a bit different than it does today.

Trades will be made between now and then. Injuries/retirements might happen. Obviously, the team will try to protect the players they feel will be in their long-term plans. I just want the Kings to keep developing their players to make the team competitive and lined up for long playoff runs.

 

[Mats26]

All this talk about expansion draft seems a little premature to me. I understand that Blake/team need to take this into consideration so they don’t lose someone they really want to keep, but our roster in 2021 should look quite a bit different than it does today.

Trades will be made between now and then. Injuries/retirements might happen. Obviously, the team will try to protect the players they feel will be in their long-term plans. I just want the Kings to keep developing their players to make the team competitive and lined up for long playoff runs.

What you said is all valid. I also believe the 2021 team will look much different. But expansion is only 2 years away and it's better to be prepared or at least be aware of it's impact now. Knowing that ALL of the young kids turning pro in fall will be exempt is a huge bonus for the rebuild. Knowing that one of Campbell and Peterson most probably will need to be traded or face losing one in expansion is another impact. Being aware of these possibilities with future roster moves is important.

Found this article, but there are more on-line. GMs won't sleep walk into expansion this time around.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-expansion-draft-nhl-gms-smarter-1.4942923

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Jake Muzzin to Toronto for:

Carl Grundstrom, Sean Durzi and Tobias Bjornfot

Fabulous trade!

GO KING GO!

 

[AlphaBravo]

Trade is a bust.

 

[kovacro]

Trade is a bust.

For the Leafs.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Trade is a bust.

Kings certainly would've been better off keeping Muzzin and finishing 30th in the standings.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Kings certainly would've been better off keeping Muzzin and finishing 30th in the standings.

Would Grundstroms 2 goals really affect what happened in the standings.
Blame Blake for going way off the board.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Kings certainly would've been better off keeping Muzzin and finishing 30th in the standings.

Or they could have drafted a scoring winger with the pick they got from the trade instead of a vanilla defenseman. Gosh, I wonder why we suck at scoring every single freakin year.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would Grundstroms 2 goals really affect what happened in the standings.
Blame Blake for going way off the board.

In the grand scheme of things, it had the same impact as Muzzin's elite defense. He made no difference on the Kings.

Or they could have drafted a scoring winger with the pick they got from the trade instead of a vanilla defenseman. Gosh, I wonder why we suck at scoring every single freakin year.

I shit all over them for picks like Forbort and Teubert, but as of now we can't say who the hell is going to have a better career. And did the players you want at 22 get selected today?

 

[KopitarFAN]

Or they could have drafted a scoring winger with the pick they got from the trade instead of a vanilla defenseman. Gosh, I wonder why we suck at scoring every single freakin year.

You'll probably get your winger tomorrow, plenty still on the board.

Kaliyev
Brink
Lavoie
Leason
Afanasyev

 

[Statto]

We gave up a 2nd pairing guy, for someone likely to be a pairing guy and a couple of prospects. So far, so good.

 

[Riofan]

GMs will be the first ones to tell you that the best trades are the ones that work out for both teams.