Muzzin trade
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Ziggy Stardust
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If they win it all, it’ll be the 31st pick. So I don’t think Kings fans want to see that.
KopitarFAN
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You have the right idea, but the best they can do is 20th, this would be if STL/WPG/DAL meets VGK/COL and CBJ meets CAR/PIT in the respective conference finals.
Division winners automatically get 24-27 unless they reach the conference finals, those 4 (conference finalists) get 28-31 and everyone else is ordered by points. Losing in the 1st round doesn't help anything as it relates to the Leafs, except they would likely play CBJ in the next round, which is suboptimal.
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The Winter Soldier
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Kings pick 22 with the Leefs losing in the first rd. I would say Grundstrom, 22, and Durzi whom Dreger just said the Kings wanted over Lilegren confirming what Friedman said is turning out to be great value for the Kings in this trade. Muzzin just has a year left on his contract, and he was on and off since the trade. Kings looking very good here in the return.
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Choralone
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There's gotta be a Lucic type out there we can trade this pick for.
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Choralone
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Was joking - over-the-hill physical player we have no need for - like Lucic - though maybe you were too, in which case -woosh- sorry.
The Winter Soldier
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The more I see Durzi play, the more I like this deal for the Kings. The Kings scouts may have been very astute in preferring Durzi over Lilegren who again struggled with questionable decisions in an AHL playoff game.
As reported by multiple sources. IE. Friedman and Dreger.
Really have been impressed by Durzi's offensive instincts.
Right now it looks like the Kings got 2 very good support pieces in Grundstrom(already 5 goals in the NHL in 15 games) and Durzi who is looking like a very good late blooming offensive D man. If they hit the 22nd pick out of the park, this trade is going to be one killer trade for the Kings with Muzzin only a year left on a contract nearing 30.
Well thus so far by the Kings.
As reported by multiple sources. IE. Friedman and Dreger.
Really have been impressed by Durzi's offensive instincts.
Right now it looks like the Kings got 2 very good support pieces in Grundstrom(already 5 goals in the NHL in 15 games) and Durzi who is looking like a very good late blooming offensive D man. If they hit the 22nd pick out of the park, this trade is going to be one killer trade for the Kings with Muzzin only a year left on a contract nearing 30.
Well thus so far by the Kings.
cyclones22
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If Friedman and Dreger are correct, and it's likely they are, that means the Kings first asked for Rasmus Sandin as the top defenseman prospect in Toronto's system. Luc didn't mention a name, but he said they asked for their "top defenseman prospect" and were turned down (they knew they would be rejected). The front office then pivoted to Durzi.
Frolov 6'3
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Yup ^^^ still early but I like this deal already from the start.
I agree with KP about Durzi’s defensive awareness. That is why we should see him as a bottom pairing/PP specialist, first.
I have high hopes with Grundstrom and the 22nd overall.
I agree with KP about Durzi’s defensive awareness. That is why we should see him as a bottom pairing/PP specialist, first.
I have high hopes with Grundstrom and the 22nd overall.
cyclones22
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If this turns into a Norstrom/Lappy for McSorely/Kurri deal, we should be very happy about that.
If the Kings can get two regular shift players in Grundstrom and Durzi plus a nice return on the draft pick, the trade is a homerun.
BigKing
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If Grundstrom tops out as a very good 3rd liner and Durzi/Pick turn into nothing, I'll still like the trade.
Muzzin would not be re-signed. Kings were at the bottom of the league with him and would not be contenders next season with him either.
Grundstrom looks like a plug and play winger that will be on this roster for several years. I obviously want more from the trade than just that but Durzi and the pick seem like house money to me in the event Grundstrom is a legit NHL player.
Picking 5th/22nd and at the top of the 2nd round. Picked up Grundstrom and Durzi along with the 22nd pick which is only one spot lower than they drafted last season in a year they had the same amount of playoff game victories as this season. Hate sliding to 5th but pretty good work on the tank job. My only problem with it is that Blake didn't set out to tank but good on him for realizing it needed to happen by December.
Muzzin would not be re-signed. Kings were at the bottom of the league with him and would not be contenders next season with him either.
Grundstrom looks like a plug and play winger that will be on this roster for several years. I obviously want more from the trade than just that but Durzi and the pick seem like house money to me in the event Grundstrom is a legit NHL player.
Picking 5th/22nd and at the top of the 2nd round. Picked up Grundstrom and Durzi along with the 22nd pick which is only one spot lower than they drafted last season in a year they had the same amount of playoff game victories as this season. Hate sliding to 5th but pretty good work on the tank job. My only problem with it is that Blake didn't set out to tank but good on him for realizing it needed to happen by December.
I don't disagree with anything you said but I'm also kinda tired of forcing myself to get excited about 3rd & 4th liners.
BigKing
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Well, I am talking about him being a very good 3rd liner, the type that contending teams have.
Point being that acquiring a legit NHL player in the trade is the most important thing. Having Durzi and/or the pick making that two or three legit NHL'ers and now we've got a stew going.
What I like about Grundstrom, even if he is just a very good 3rd line player, is that he goes straight to the front of the net and plays with some jam to his game. Even if his talent tops him out as a good 3rd line player, we are all over here talking about how this team no longer has an identity. His game fits in with the identity I'd like them to have: tough to play against.
Agree with wanting Top 6 guys though. That's where Kupari, 5OA and hopefully 22OA come in to play if the picks are forwards. Grundstrom could develop in to a lower-tier Top 6 as well but I'll be stoked if he is a 15-ish goals 3rd line guy that is a pain in the ass to play against it.
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I agree with you in one sense that we are stocked with an over abundance of 3rd liners.
If Grundstrom however turns out to be a young upper echelon 3rd liner that can occasionally be pulled up into the top 6 effectively and kill penalties I am happy with the trade. Like posted above we are not in the position to be competitive next year so might as well get rid of some of the older guys.
I like Muzzin but I still really like the trade.
For sure, Muzzin was one of the guys that had to go, not disputing that. Just wish we had a real talent that could actually score a goal to get excited about since it looks like Villardi is never going to be able to pull up his own undies again.
jfont
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why are people saying this?
i have not seen any reports lately that would suggest he's out of commission forever.
i would seriously read deeshamrock's previous post where he/she said that the guy is 19-20 with dreams of nhl. he's not going to give that up unless he really can't stand up.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
I value a #2 defenseman higher than a tweeter top nine forward, but okay whatever. I don't agree with your assertion that Muzzin would not have re-signed with the Kings next season. He was already on a team-friendly deal and seemed to be gaining respect as a veteran in the locker room.
It's important that the Kings get something more than just Grundstrom out of the trade. The hole that's created by Muzzin's departure is quite large, and no one on the Kings' prospect list seems ready to fill it. The Kings have Doughty, then a bunch of #4/5/6/7 guys for next season. Gonna be ugly next year.
The hope i have is that Mikey Anderson looks and plays like a future top 4 guy right. His defense is damn good and his offense to the surprise of everyone is is actually coming along.. I expect to see him up this season.
Kale Clague is a wild card, his offense i think will come in spades but its his defense that in need of further refinement. He too ios likely to be on the Kings this season..
Unfortunately, I dont see them geting called up until after the TDL, so it could get really ugly.. but thats another top 10 pick i guess
Now if we luck out and land Byram.... Things would get interesting, I doubt Forbort-Doughty get split and i'm guesing they keep Amart to pair him with BB and mentor him.. Really hoping for this, and it would surprise me to see the Kings try to trade into #3 or #4 to guarantee it
BigKing
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It will be ugly next year. That's the point. Maybe it is a little prettier with Muzzin but big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Muzzin is going to cash in: especially if his current deal is described as team-friendly. Good for him as well. He should cash in. Kings will not be at a point where they can afford to pay him what he will get, nor should they. They need to keep their powder dry and collect young assets so they can hopefully have guys contributing on ELCs/2nd contracts and then be able to deploy cap space/assets towards improving the roster non-organically with the hope that 11/8 are still good players by that point in time.
If Byram falls to #5, it seems that there would be a guy on that prospect list. Of course, Muzzin didn't look like the guy to replace 2018 Muzzin back when he was signed as a FA so you never know.
I don't think anyone believes he missed 97% of last season because he wanted to.
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