Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] Alexandre Carrier for Justin Barron

[MoneyManny]

We could also use a guy like Danault , does that mean we should have kept and extended him?

Timeline and rebuilding had alot to do with flipping Lekh for assets

Yeah i realize that. I do miss both Lehks and Danault. I was always a big fan of these 2. It's not Phil's fault he was forced into the wrong chair in MTL.

 

[HuGort]

They drafted well. Took a gamble and it paid off. Good for them. Still, I would do that trade every day of the week if I'm the Oilers. Kulak has been a perfect fit and has exceeded expectations by a mile.

For the rebuilding Habs, it made sense to get a pick, a pick that very well could have been a bust too. For the contending Oilers it made sense to get a Legit NHLer with still untapped upward potential that could fit in the Cap on the cheap. I'd typify it as Win-Win trade, which is the goal of all trades.

Hutson on Oilers would be insane. He'd be a 100 point rookie d-man

 

[TheNumber4]

Hutson on Oilers would be insane. He'd be a 100 point rookie d-man

Hutson on a lot of teams would be insane. Ask them why they didn’t draft him before you guys did. The Oilers didn’t even have a pick to draft him.

 

[HuGort]

Hutson on a lot of teams would be insane. Ask them why they didn’t draft him before you guys did. The Oilers didn’t even have a pick to draft him.

Thank God

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Barron scored his first for Nashville against Vegas. Pretty obvious Preds trade win. So happy to be rid of Carrier's excessive cap hit and weak defense

...Barron also turned the puck over with a horrid cross ice pass in his own zone after Vegas pulled their 'tender and Annunen had to make two huge saves to keep it 4-3; that's why the Habs moves off him, to stabilize their D with a good stay at home presence, which is what Carrier has afforded them since the trade...Habs have a stable of good young D prospects and needed a solid vet to stabilize things; Nashville needed some offense from the D that wasn't always Josi and got a good young offensive Dman to provide...both teams are happy...YAY for good hockey trades...

 

[biturbo19]

We could also use a guy like Danault , does that mean we should have kept and extended him?

Timeline and rebuilding had alot to do with flipping Lekh for assets

Yeah. Given where the Habs are at, and were at the time even...griping about letting go of Danault and Lehkonen feels like crying over spilt milk. It's just...part of the cycle of things, that bad teams in the midst of rebuilds end up letting go of older players and dealing guys for futures that...inherently don't always pan out. Futures are always riskier than the "known commodity". But that risk also comes with upside, which is what rebuilding teams need far more than anything else. That's how you get guys like Hutson. But sometimes, you just get a Barron and it doesn't work out. That's the way it works.

 

[viceroy]

MTL were content to take on Carrier's (overpaid) cap-hit.

I strongly disagree. Carrier's worth every penny.

Carrier was not a cap dump.

For NSH he was though. They're basically into a re-tool now and are saving a few shekels by unloading a mid range guy.

Look at Carrier's performance for NSH and tell me they weren't ecstatic to get out from his contract.

That doesn't mean anything. We unloaded Tyler Toffoli to clear out some cap and most Habs fans were happy with that despite the fact that he did yeoman's work for MTL.

He was a dog's breakfast for the Preds this year.

Everybody sucked in NSH. Everybody.

I'm glad Carrier is doing well for the Habs, though. He always tried hard for the Preds, even if he couldn't seem to understand his role or stay on his feet. I don't think he's a top-4 defender on any team with a good defense corps, but he tries hard enough and has enough skill that he can fill in there while a team tries to find better options, which is basically what he has been doing for the last few years with the Preds. Eventually you need somebody better if you want to compete. The Preds were clearly hoping to sign somebody better on the UFA market last summer, but once they knew that they couldn't line up a proper RD upgrade on July 1st, they fell back on keeping Carrier around. The team is clearly planning to try again this coming July 1st, but realized that they're just as well off with a cheaper fallback like Blankenburg as they were wasting money on Carrier.

I've heard this kinda talk earlier when we traded for Petry from EDM. Oil fans were just dogging him like crazy. Anywho Petry in his first go round with the Habs was terrific 'til his last year. MTL basically got all his good years.

Most Habs fans would rather run into a brick wall head first than accept they didn't unilaterally "win" a trade. It's because of how pathetic the team was during the Bergevin decade, fans adapted to take "wins" wherever they could.

That's a shiatty ass generalization. (You sure you a Habs fan?) The Habs have lost several trades over the last few years. Several. I'm still peeved over the smooth/galaxy brained idea to trade Kovacevic for a 4th.

I invite you to read the paragraph immediately following the one you quoted in the same post. Good luck, I believe you can do it.

That's a mean-spirited post. Just FYI you're not any smarter than any other Habs fans out here. There's no deeper analysis in your posts sunshine.

Kyle Dubas has entered the chat...

Dubas is different. Trotz destroyed his team in a couple of trades and signings whereas Dubas just keeps getting diminishing returns for his teams. Slowly bleeding out his team.

...positive impact that makes Carrier look more important than he is in a vacuum

No. Carrier is actually a good D-man. He's not big and won't score a ton of points but he's good in the room, is efficient and smart. And he IS important for the Habs.

Yeah i realize that. I do miss both Lehks and Danault. I was always a big fan of these 2. It's not Phil's fault he was forced into the wrong chair in MTL.

Definitely his fault. HE wanted to be the 1st/2nd Centre on the Habs. Even though he was eminently more suited for the 3rd spot. It's what I call the Maxime Lapierre conundrum. He's terrific on the 3rd line and gets lauded as such by the MTL media. It goes to his head and he now wants to go up and get some PP time. Wants out, goes to another team and then ends up in the same position.