Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] Alexandre Carrier for Justin Barron

[Gnashville]

What is with these 2 teams and trading/sharing Defenseman? Just call it the Francis Bouillon effect

 

[biturbo19]

It may surprise you, but currently there are just 11 RHDs who are 23 and younger in the whole NHL. People may not like Barron, but he is such rare commodity that 4th is definitely not enough.

I don't think that's really surprising. It's not like there's this magic pipeline that supplies tons of new ones each year.

The issue with Barron, is that yes...he's still young, but he's also seeming more and more flawed. You can hang onto that guy and just let his value wither away to nothing. Or you can move him and move on.

Sometimes that's a mistake. But most of those cases, i don't think the player would've "found their game" with that original organization in the first place.



Canucks fans cry about Gustav Forsling. But the dude spent forever in Sweden, ended up waived by two different other teams, before he finally found a foothold with the Panthers. And maybe Barron is that guy too...it's just not that likely.

 

[Vitto79]

Carrier is the Savard replacement after he goes at the deadline

 

[Gaud]

Carrier has been replaced by a tweener (Blankenburg) and he has outplayed Carrier this season. Carrier has just not been great this season. I didnt want to extend him to begin with. Carrier may be better than Blankenburg but he hasnt shown it this season. I for one am glad to be out of that contract. He got his time on ice because our RHD at the NHL level were Josi playing offhand, Fabbro who was waived because the coach refused to use him, and Schenn. He got time by default

still.. Barron didnt get anywhere near that time in mtl, nor has he solidified his presence on a third pairing.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Barron just turned 23 and already 2 teams gave up on him

Avs didn't give up on him. That was a 'win it now' type move for them.

As for Montreal, they have a lot of young blueliners trying to crack the lineup. They saw more upside in guys like Maillioux and Reinbacher. They also desperately needed immediate help on the right side and Barron isn't able to really do anything there. Under different circumstances Barron stays in Montreal. But the right side is a disaster and they're packed with prospects. The deal makes sense from that perspective.

Barron is only 23. 6'2, good skating, good shot, can handle the puck. He needs a place where he can get some regular ice and be paired with a vet. If Nashville does that, then they might wind up with a really good player down the line.

Montreal gets what they need but they may regret this one later on. Barron wasn't progressing much with us but his opportunities were limited. This is going to be interesting to look back on in a few years. I think it's a good risk by Nashville but only if they follow through on development.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yeah, it's the first i see a GM make a trade during a rebuild.

It's must be getting really hot in the kitchen.

Looks like a win now type of trade. Makes no sense because who knows if the other RHD prospects end up busting just like Barron. Its not like Barron is that much older.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Looks like a win now type of trade. Makes no sense because who knows if the other RHD prospects end up busting just like Barron. Its not like Barron is that much older.

It's not a 'win it now' type move. This doesn't make the Canadiens likely to make the playoffs.

The Habs right side D is so bad that it's affecting the whole team. You want your prospects to be able to develop properly and you need some vets to help with that. They had to get somebody who could absorb hard minutes and shelter younger players. They don't have that now and it's hurting the development of their players. This adds some stability to one of the youngest bluelines in the league. It's a bridge type move that works to help guys like RB and Mailloux when they join the team in the next couple of seasons.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

It's not a 'win it now' type move. This doesn't make the Canadiens likely to make the playoffs.

The Habs right side D is so bad that it's affecting the whole team. You want your prospects to be able to develop properly and you need some vets to help with that. They had to get somebody who could absorb hard minutes and shelter younger players. They don't have that now and it's hurting the development of their players. This adds some stability to one of the youngest bluelines in the league. It's a bridge type move that works to help guys like RB and Mailloux when they join the team in the next couple of seasons.

Seems like something that should have been done for Justin Barron.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Seems like something that should have been done for Justin Barron.

Right. It was the wrong environment for him. He needs ice and veteran support. He wasn't going to get that in Montreal. They're too young a team and have a bunch of other young RDs trying to crack the lineup.

Hopefully he gets regular ice and veteran help in Nashville. He's got talent but needs time to take the next step. He's still very young. Lots of time to develop into a good blueliner.

 

[Treb]

It's ok to admit that Montreal lost the Lekh trade. It's kind of cringe to keep commenting how a 2nd was part of a trade to move up in a draft.

Barron is still worth giving a chance. He has the skills,size and athleticism of an NHL player. Needs to work on his game. I hope he gels well with the coaches there.

Carrier is a perfect fit for Montreal. He just needs to work hard and people will love him. That's all you really need to do to be liked in Montreal.

A 2nd and Barron was more than fair value for Lehkonen at the time of the deal.

What happened after is irrelevant.

Both teams "won".

 

[HabsQC]

The Carrier era begins tonight vs the wings

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's ok to admit that Montreal lost the Lekh trade. It's kind of cringe to keep commenting how a 2nd was part of a trade to move up in a draft.

How is it cringe to talk about what the Canadiens received in the trade? The 2nd was part of the deal. I'm sure the Avalanche didn't want to give it up, it's not like you just throw in a 2nd round pick for nothing.

What's cringe is seeing people try to talk as though the 2nd round pick wasn't part of the transaction and should just be ignored because... reasons.

 

[pth2]

How is it cringe to talk about what the Canadiens received in the trade? The 2nd was part of the deal. I'm sure the Avalanche didn't want to give it up, it's not like you just throw in a 2nd round pick for nothing.

What's cringe is seeing people try to talk as though the 2nd round pick wasn't part of the transaction and should just be ignored because... reasons.

Still, it's not like the 2nd round pick gave Hage directly - it allowed the Habs to trade up from 26 to 21, so if people want to play "trade tree", including Hage also meant including the Monahan rental by the Jets.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Still, it's not like the 2nd round pick gave Hage directly - it allowed the Habs to trade up from 26 to 21, so if people want to play "trade tree", including Hage also meant including the Monahan rental by the Jets.

Doesn't matter. It was an asset that we leveraged in a great trade for Hage. It was part of the original Lek deal.

If you're going to evaluate a trade, why would you omit something like that? Doesn't make sense.

 

[John Mandalorian]

A 2nd and Barron was more than fair value for Lehkonen at the time of the deal.

What happened after is irrelevant.

Both teams "won".

Things are mostly judged in retrospect...so here we are.

Just as an example, MacKinnon said he’d take another team friendly deal (on the precipice of the cap increasing), Avs fans grumbled because 12.6 was the highest in the league. Now, it seems quite reasonable. Again, things are mostly judged in retrospect.

 

[Ezpz]

Things are mostly judged in retrospect...so here we are.

Just as an example, MacKinnon said he’d take another team friendly deal (on the precipice of the cap increasing), Avs fans grumbled because 12.6 was the highest in the league. Now, it seems quite reasonable. Again, things are mostly judged in retrospect.

The difference is Lehk still probably fits in the recent first rounder plus a second value bracket. Him playing with a guy who nearly hit 130 points doesn't bump his trade value to insane heights.

Every team knows he's not going to pace for 60+ playing with their center instead of MacKinnon. 30 games into the season mack already has outscored what lehk will in the entire season, or ever had for that matter.

I say this as someone who didn't want to trade him and wasn't iffy on Barron from the start. A comparable now would be Oliver bonk and a second, which I doubt many teams would pay for Lehk unless they thought he was the missing piece.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The difference is Lehk still probably fits in the recent first rounder plus a second value bracket. Him playing with a guy who nearly hit 130 points doesn't bump his trade value to insane heights.

Every team knows he's not going to pace for 60+ playing with their center instead of MacKinnon. 30 games into the season mack already has outscored what lehk will in the entire season, or ever had for that matter.

I say this as someone who didn't want to trade him and wasn't iffy on Barron from the start. A comparable now would be Oliver bonk and a second, which I doubt many teams would pay for Lehk unless they thought he was the missing piece.

Meh. Timing and context matters. Tampa overpaying drove a lot of the inflation during the TDL in those years. Overpaying became the cost of doing business because Tampa was winning back to back cups. Montreal gravytrained off of this with the infamous Chia-Rot trade. In 2022, if memory serves, the Lehkonen deal came after the Giroux deal and the Tampa deals for Hagel and Paul. So the leverage was diminished by having the key overpay driver(s) out of the picture.

 

[Treb]

Things are mostly judged in retrospect...so here we are.

Just as an example, MacKinnon said he’d take another team friendly deal (on the precipice of the cap increasing), Avs fans grumbled because 12.6 was the highest in the league. Now, it seems quite reasonable. Again, things are mostly judged in retrospect.

You're comparing a signing and a trade.

Habs were not going to keep Lehkonen and traded him instead of letting him leave. They got good value for him. It's not that deep.

That's like saying the Kulak trade is a steal because we used that pick for Hutson, but the same trade would have been a bust if they drafted Suzdalev instead?

 

[pth2]

Doesn't matter. It was an asset that we leveraged in a great trade for Hage. It was part of the original Lek deal.

If you're going to evaluate a trade, why would you omit something like that? Doesn't make sense.

Then include Monahan every time you mention Hage.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You're comparing a signing and a trade.

Habs were not going to keep Lehkonen and traded him instead of letting him leave. They got good value for him. It's not that deep.

That's like saying the Kulak trade is a steal because we used that pick for Hutson, but the same trade would have been a bust if they drafted Suzdalev instead?

It’s not a hard fight to argue why it made sense for Montreal to trade him. It made sense, no doubt. But this guy has turned out to be better than Giroux. I don’t want to dump on the Habs. Agreed that it made sense to deal him given the circumstance of the Habs. But that still doesn’t change the timing element of this. In 2022 alone, this guy scored the game over goals in the WCF and the SCF.

 

[Treb]

It’s not a hard fight to argue why it made sense for Montreal to trade him. It made sense, no doubt. But this guy has turned out to be better than Giroux. I don’t want to dump on the Habs. Agreed that it made sense to deal him given the circumstance of the Habs. But that still doesn’t change the timing element of this. In 2022 alone, this guy scored the game over goals in the WCF and the SCF.

And he wouldn't have in Montreal. Moot point.

Both teams can win their part of the trade.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

I’m excited for Barron in Nashville. I was never a carrier fan but I quite like Barron if he can put it all together still who knows what happens… either way, not a major trade and no loss for Nashville. We know what carrier is, a bottom pair defenseman pushing 30. I think Barron can at least be that. If not, no biggie.
Welcome to Nashville Barron!

 

[JustAHabFan]

Carrier looked good in his first game with the Habs against the Wings.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Things are mostly judged in retrospect...so here we are.

Just as an example, MacKinnon said he’d take another team friendly deal (on the precipice of the cap increasing), Avs fans grumbled because 12.6 was the highest in the league. Now, it seems quite reasonable. Again, things are mostly judged in retrospect.

Either way... both teams won here. Canadiens at minimum got an asset that helped get them Hage. And they'll also get a lot of value out of Carriere. Sucks that Baron didn't work out... but that doesn't make it a bad trade, even in retrospect.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Then include Monahan every time you mention Hage.

If we're talking about the Monahan trade... sure. That's not what's being discussed.

What's being discussed is whether that trade for Lek was worth it for us. And the answer is yes.