Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] Alexandre Carrier for Justin Barron

[CTHabsfan]

What a mistake that Lehkonen trade was...

Few people thought that in 2022. The Habs were able to use the 2nd round pick from Colorado to move up for Michale Hage, so we can see how he'll turn out. I think the Preds will have picked up a decent player if they allow him to develop. It's not unusual for defensemen to take some time.

 

[Be a Hab]

Good trade for both teams. Carrier is exactly what the habs need. A reliable RHD that is defensively minded. We don't need a Justin Barron right now.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Barron is absolutely gutless and one of the biggest disgraces I’ve ever seen wear a Habs jersey

Hopefully Carrier is at least able to take an NHL shift

 

[jfhabs]

Barron is way to passive to be a regular NHLer. No progression whatsoever since we acquired him.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

If Drury and Trotz made a trade, would there be a winner?

Yes, everybody else...

 

[jfhabs]

It's not your traditional salary dump because Carrier can play, he's just making more than he should be and Brunette has been playing him in a much larger role than he should be.

Carrier is a good solid #5 and can be a decent #4 if he has the right partner, but they were basically playing him as a #3 trying to lead another pairing and he's jut not that guy. Carrier is a solid supporting defender that will chip in some offense here and there and won't kill you defensively as long as you don't try and give him a ton of minutes.

His size and strength cause him issues, and it also leads to being injured just about every season. Barron is apparently soft? well Carrier isn't far from that on his own. He seems to find himself on his knees in the corners way too much.

Barron isn't soft physically, he has a good frame and is not weak, he's just scared...

We'll see about Carrier, I don't love the deal for Montreal, maybe we could've made better use of that cap space... I'll wait and see what they do come TDL and how Carrier does to judge.

 

[wedge]

I really thought Barron would improve this year. The spot was his to lose and, with Reinbacher's injury, there wasn't really any threat. Some defensemen need more time than others and I really thought that would be the case with him. Sadly, it didn't happen. He didn't do anything offensively and was just... bad. I'm glad he's now gone, tbh. He could still blossom without the pressure but, meh... I think Carrier will stabilize our defense and will help a lot.

 

[Armourboy]

Good trade for both teams. Carrier is exactly what the habs need. A reliable RHD that is defensively minded. We don't need a Justin Barron right now.

Carrier is not defensively minded. He tries his best to make plays like Josi, but obviously he ain't Josi.

 

[nbwingsfan]

This is the move that will start realizing my prediction of Nashville in the Finals.

I can feel it

 

[herzausstein]

This is the move that will start realizing my prediction of Nashville in the Finals.

I can feel it

Well to make the playoffs we need to go on an absolute rediculous run which could power us to further glory!

But we will likely end up around pick 12

 

[bossram]

Yeah guys, I don't think Trotz knows what he's doing.

 

[BKarchitect]

The real mistake was Armia over Lehkonen. Bergevin chose Joel. There wasn't room for both.

There’s no world Armia would have returned a recent first round pick RHD and a second round pick. If Barron were actually good, the trade would’ve been fine for a rebuilding team. The problem wasn’t the value of the trade, it’s pro-scouting failure on Barron.

 

[pth2]

What a mistake that Lehkonen trade was...

On the one hand, yes.

However, you can't judge deals in hindsight - it's all part of a rebuild the Habs chose to go for, and they won other deals outrageously, and it tends to even out. (I'm thinking of Kulak for the 2nd rounder that got us Hutson).

There’s no world Armia would have returned a recent first round pick RHD and a second round pick. If Barron were actually good, the trade would’ve been fine for a rebuilding team. The problem wasn’t the value of the trade, it’s pro-scouting failure on Barron.

Well, that was actually later on, it's when Lehkonen got a short-term deal and Armia got a much longer one that the decision was made to a certain extent. From then on, Lehk was readily tradable, Armia was not.

 

[BLNY]

Shows bad judge of hockey talent though. What I getting at. Hughes obviously had no idea on Barron. Newhook is similar and Dach. We gave up a good first pick in Dach trade. Altogether those 3 players costs us 4 first round picks. Lekhonen was worth a first all day long. He was solid player

Hindsight is 20/20 and ignoring that we got three first back in all that movement is revisionist to say the least.

At the time of the Lehkonen trade, a second and a former first was considered strong value. Barron had promise at the time of the trade. I would have kept lehks over Armia, but the clubs hands were pretty well tied.

We gave up a first and a third for Dach. The first was acquired in the Romanov trade, so Romanov and a pick for Kirby. Dach looked strong the first year with Monahan, and came to camp in 2023 with a boat load of confidence. It takes time to come back from the kind of injury he had. If at all. There was risk regarding injury history, but I think it was a low-risk move.

Is Newhook the player that took steps last year and put up good second line pace, or is he the player that's hit the skids this year? It's probably the worst value of all the moves.

In - a 25th overall, a 3rd overall, and a 16th overall. Three firsts.

Out - a second (Romanov), a second (Lehkonen), a 4th round pick, a first round pick (Nazar), a 3rd (Fairbrother), a 1st, and a 2nd.

On the face, 3 firsts for two first, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th.

There’s no world Armia would have returned a recent first round pick RHD and a second round pick. If Barron were actually good, the trade would’ve been fine for a rebuilding team. The problem wasn’t the value of the trade, it’s pro-scouting failure on Barron.

It's a hedge. Barron had strong offensive upside and only a year under his belt. They thought he could develop his game. At 23, he still could, but it was time to move. So is holding any grudges.

 

[Viqsi]

Nashville at the bottom of the league can afford to goof around and feed him minutes and see what happens.

The exasperating thing is that we've had several guys we can and should do that with but Bruno keeps refusing to do so. Some of those guys have since been waived and/or traded for pennies. If the stories that Trotz was really interested in him specifically are accurate maybe we'll see things go differently with Barron, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Barron is absolutely gutless and one of the biggest disgraces I’ve ever seen wear a Habs jersey

Hopefully Carrier is at least able to take an NHL shift

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

Carrier is not defensively minded. He tries his best to make plays like Josi, but obviously he ain't Josi.

Yep - not having good offensive stats doesn't mean he's defensively minded

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Trading Savard is out the window then?

Not necessarily but Savard is a great fit for our team. With Matheson, Guhle, Hutson and Xhekaj on the left, we need stabilizing presences on the right side.

I think they'll keep their options open, particularly at the deadline. But I think it's just as likely that he'll re-sign for cheap with the Habs than be traded.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Barron was mistake for Habs. Lekhonen was good hockey player

Don't forget about the magic trade tree !

The 2nd rouder obtained from Colorado was involved in the trade that brought Michael Hage to the Canadiens.

 

[samsagat]

Not exactly a blockbuster trade so yeah, obviously both players got some flaws...

Barron is 6'2" 200 pds but playing like a fearful sissy.

Carrier is 5'11" 175 pds with some strength issues. Plus his salary.