Proposal: MTL & NJ

[habsfan44]

It's not like Slafkovsky is exactly in an entire level of "proven".

so I expect his value to be Seamus Casey (better then Mailloux) and 1st round pick.

Slafkovsky was thrown to the wolves and sucked before getting concussed for the rest of his rookie year. Then he sucked for half a year before turning it on and looking like a beast.

Nemec baked longer like Defenseman do and then was thrown to the wolves and because of injuries to top defenseman on the team and ran with it and looked like a top two pairing guy.

I won't comment on your childish jab but you and I both know that Casey and a first obviously doesn't get you a sniff at Slafkovsky , as for Nemec that's great news for the Devils , I really hope the kid puts it all together and turns into the player he was drafted to be . Doesn't change my mind though because he hasn't done enough to merit that type of return right now which makes the trade too risky for both sides .

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I won't comment on your childish jab but you and I both know that Casey and a first obviously doesn't get you a sniff at Slafkovsky , as for Nemec that's great news for the Devils , I really hope the kid puts it all together and turns into the player he was drafted to be . Doesn't change my mind though because he hasn't done enough to merit that type of return right now which makes the trade too risky for both sides .

Slaf is a great young player, and St Louis has done a great job giving him opportunities to succeed. But I'm not even sure I'd move Casey straight up for Slaf, nevermind adding a pick. He's like a defensively responsible Lane Hutson - Hutson will probably be the more productive player, but he takes a lot more risks than Casey.

And before calling me a homer, I had Casey ranked 4th in 2022 before the devils even drafted him.

But I would consider adding a pick to Nemec for Slaf. Something along the lines of:

Nemec
Gritsyuk
2026 1st

for

Slafkovsky
2025 3rd

Obviously Montreal has no reason to move Slaf short of overpayment. Devils likely feel the same way about Nemec.

 

[Benstheman]

Would be a NFW offer if I'm New Jersey. Mailloux looked terrible for the Habs this season. His analytics were brutal in his short stint in the pros. He's not ready.

New Jersey gets a worse and older prospect that won't help this season as the base of the deal.

It says Mailloux or Calgary's 1st. But whichever it is, Hage is probably the main piece in this deal right now, not Mailloux.

Anyways, this does not come close to fill a need for NJ right now.

 

[McJedi]

It says Mailloux or Calgary's 1st. But whichever it is, Hage is probably the main piece in this deal right now, not Mailloux.

Anyways, this does not come close to fill a need for NJ right now.

That Flames 1st... isn't that really more like Florida's 1st?

Those late 1st rounders are tricky. You'd like to think they have a lot of value, but the hit/miss ratio on those is scary.

Mailloux may still develop into a good NHL player. He's just 21 and he is a productive AHL player. He's not ready for the NHL yet, but he could get there.

Hage is just 18 so his NHL timeline is several years away. It's not a shameful offer from a value standpoint, but it does nothing for NJ's current roster and it's still risky for the Devils. It's too early to assume Hage and Mailloux will become NHLers of any substance. It's too early to write them off as busts. A team with a longer timeline would be more interested in them than one like NJ that needs to compete today.

 

[habsfan44]

Slaf is a great young player, and St Louis has done a great job giving him opportunities to succeed. But I'm not even sure I'd move Casey straight up for Slaf, nevermind adding a pick. He's like a defensively responsible Lane Hutson - Hutson will probably be the more productive player, but he takes a lot more risks than Casey.

And before calling me a homer, I had Casey ranked 4th in 2022 before the devils even drafted him.

But I would consider adding a pick to Nemec for Slaf. Something along the lines of:

Nemec
Gritsyuk
2026 1st

for

Slafkovsky
2025 3rd

Obviously Montreal has no reason to move Slaf short of overpayment. Devils likely feel the same way about Nemec.

Being high on a kid like Casey , especially that early doesn't make you a homer , he's small , skilled , smart and plays with heart and determination also his ability to handle the big , bad NHL at such a young age is impressive , what's not to like ? I think your comparison to Hutson is accurate . As for your proposal , the entire package that is Juraj Slafkovsky is just too interesting to move on from and people now talking about him switching to center just makes him that much more intriguing . I would be sorely disappointed if the Habs traded him , even for an overpayment .

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Being high on a kid like Casey , especially that early doesn't make you a homer , he's small , skilled , smart and plays with with heart and determination also his ability to handle the big , bad NHL at such a young age is impressive , what's not to like ? I think your comparison to Hutson is accurate . As for your proposal , the entire package that is Juraj Slafkovsky is just too interesting to move on from and people now talking about him switching to center just makes him that much more intriguing . I would be sorely disappointed if the Habs traded him , even for an overpayment .

I think you've come to the wrong place, there is no room for level headed, cohesive and accurate posts on this site. LOL

 

[habsfan44]

That Flames 1st... isn't that really more like Florida's 1st?

Those late 1st rounders are tricky. You'd like to think they have a lot of value, but the hit/miss ratio on those is scary.

Mailloux may still develop into a good NHL player. He's just 21 and he is a productive AHL player. He's not ready for the NHL yet, but he could get there.

Hage is just 18 so his NHL timeline is several years away. It's not a shameful offer from a value standpoint, but it does nothing for NJ's current roster and it's still risky for the Devils. It's too early to assume Hage and Mailloux will become NHLers of any substance. It's too early to write them off as busts. A team with a longer timeline would be more interested in them than one like NJ that needs to compete today.

Nemec also needs more seasoning , he seems to be a year or two away from becoming an effective NHL defender . The trade makes no sense for either side . The Habs are a team trying to improve now and get a player who doesn't help in that respect . The Devils are a team in win now mode and get nothing in the deal that helps them win now . Both teams pass . On a speculative note , I wonder if the Devils dangle Nemec to get what they feel is the missing piece at the deadline ? When healthy they look to be set on defense without him .

 

[dgibb10]

Nemec also needs more seasoning , he seems to be a year or two away from becoming an effective NHL defender . The trade makes no sense for either side . The Habs are a team trying to improve now and get a player who doesn't help in that respect . The Devils are a team in win now mode and get nothing in the deal that helps them win now . Both teams pass . On a speculative note , I wonder if the Devils dangle Nemec to get what they feel is the missing piece at the deadline ? When healthy they look to be set on defense without him .

Nemec was an effective NHL defender last year.

 

[Xirik]

Nemec was an effective NHL defender last year.

He's not going to get it.

Habsfan44=
1. Say that Devil fan's don't know Hab's players and prospects.
2. say something that clearly shows that he knows nothing about Nemec.
3. Get offended and say you are jabbing him
4. Say something that clearly shows he hasn't followed Nemec at all again.
5 ???

Did the song and dance once, Don't need to do it again.

 

[habsfan44]

Nemec was an effective NHL defender last year.

That's an opinion I just don't agree with it . I may be wrong but I think if Hamilton had been healthy , Nemec would have played most of last season in Utica .

 

[dgibb10]

That's an opinion I just don't agree with it . I may be wrong but I think if Hamilton had been healthy , Nemec would have played most of last season in Utica .

Okay but hamilton wasn't healthy, and Nemec played 20 minutes a night effectively as a 19 year old

 

[McJedi]

Nemec also needs more seasoning , he seems to be a year or two away from becoming an effective NHL defender . The trade makes no sense for either side . The Habs are a team trying to improve now and get a player who doesn't help in that respect . The Devils are a team in win now mode and get nothing in the deal that helps them win now . Both teams pass . On a speculative note , I wonder if the Devils dangle Nemec to get what they feel is the missing piece at the deadline ? When healthy they look to be set on defense without him .

Makes sense. If all these guys switched teams, doesn't make either team better this season.

If Nemec is traded, you do figure it's for someone ready to step in the next night and be a real contributor.

Bo Byram was a lot farther along than Nemec when the Avs traded him to Buffalo, but the Avs got back their 2C for the next game/balance of the season. I think New Jersey would want a similar type impact player for Nemec.

And that type of player does not exist on the Habs roster.

The Habs don't have good trade assets this year. Savard is playing like trash, Dvorak is extra meh. Evans is someone they should probably resign. Dach and Newhook aren't going to return what the Habs paid to acquire. Nor will Barron. Anderson has no value and Gallagher's contract makes him unmovable. Armia has no value.

 

[habsfan44]

He's not going to get it.

Habsfan44=
1. Say that Devil fan's don't know Hab's players and prospects.
2. say something that clearly shows that he knows nothing about Nemec.
3. Get offended and say you are jabbing him
4. Say something that clearly shows he hasn't followed Nemec at all again.
5 ???

Did the song and dance once, Don't need to do it again.

A little sensitive there big guy ? Settle down , there's no need to get bent out of shape and butthurt over a comment by a stranger on the internet , we hardly know each other , relax , it's just a friendly discussion !!!

 

[Xirik]

A little sensitive there big guy ? Settle down , there's no need to get bent out of shape and butthurt over a comment by a stranger on the internet , we hardly know each other , relax , it's just a friendly discussion !!!

really?

 

[habsfan44]

Makes sense. If all these guys switched teams, doesn't make either team better this season.

If Nemec is traded, you do figure it's for someone ready to step in the next night and be a real contributor.

Bo Byram was a lot farther along than Nemec with the Avs traded him to Buffalo, but the Avs got back their 2C for the next game/balance of the season. I think New Jersey would want a similar type impact player for Nemec.

And that type of player does not exist on the Habs roster.

The Habs don't have good trade assets this year. Savard is playing like trash, Dvorak is extra meh. Evans is someone they should probably resign. Dach and Newhook aren't going to return what the Habs paid to acquire. Nor will Barron. Anderson has no value and Gallagher's contract makes him unmovable. Armia has no value.

I think if the Habs make a move it'll be for bottom pair , bottom six veterans with grit and leadership which is easily acquired with picks and/or prospects , something they have an abundance of . The team is too young and inexperienced and veterans like Gallagher , Dvorak , Anderson and Matheson just aren't getting it done in the leadership department .

 

[McJedi]

I think if the Habs make a move it'll be for bottom pair , bottom six veterans with grit and leadership which is easily acquired with picks and/or prospects , something they have an abundance of . The team is too young and inexperienced and veterans like Gallagher , Dvorak , Anderson and Matheson just aren't getting it done in the leadership department .

Yeah. I'm surprised and disappointed. I thought the Habs would be better this year and make some moves towards a playoff spot. They still look like one of the worst teams in the NHL. Not getting nearly enough from the middle of the roster. Anderson, Dach, Matheson, Newhook, Barron, Arima, Savard, Xhakji... not a single one of these guys is having even decent season so far.

Evans, Dvorak and Gallagher are just playing so-so hockey, but not terrible hockey.

Guhle is just solid, but not great.

It's a one line team. And that's it. I like Suzuki, but he's not what I'd want as my 1C. Same with Caufield as a wing... these two are what I'd describe as high-end 2nd liners on better teams.

Slaf is about the only guy on this roster that I see as a potential legit 1st liner. There is nothing close to a top pair defender on this team. Guhle seems like a very good middle pair guy as his ceiling. The idea that Matheson is top pair is preposterous. He's got some nice offensive chops, but his defensive game is a train-wreck.

Probably time to find a better coach.

 

[Lockin17]

Slaf is a great young player, and St Louis has done a great job giving him opportunities to succeed. But I'm not even sure I'd move Casey straight up for Slaf, nevermind adding a pick. He's like a defensively responsible Lane Hutson - Hutson will probably be the more productive player, but he takes a lot more risks than Casey.

And before calling me a homer, I had Casey ranked 4th in 2022 before the devils even drafted him.

But I would consider adding a pick to Nemec for Slaf. Something along the lines of:

Nemec
Gritsyuk
2026 1st

for

Slafkovsky
2025 3rd

Obviously Montreal has no reason to move Slaf short of overpayment. Devils likely feel the same way about Nemec.

Not a bad offer honestly, But Slaf is a fan favorite so he's really not available.

That Flames 1st... isn't that really more like Florida's 1st?

you don't know that , they are doing good allready, they might be just right out of the top 10.
I see this pick being between #11 to #15

 

[Lockin17]

Evans, Dvorak and Gallagher are just playing so-so hockey, but not terrible hockey.

Wrong Evans is doing great

 

[MB3]

just for one minute I wish someone in my life loved me as much as habs fans love their younger players.

 

[HuGort]

Habs will probably end up with Schaefer. We not lucky enough to get Martone or Misa. Not sold on McQueen or Fondell.

 

[samsagat]

mailloux is nearly a full year older than nemec, was drafted one year earlier. him needing time to develop is increasing his value.

nemec on the other hand had a great rookie season last year and is already ahead of mailloux, but is now struggling to get playing time over newly acquired veterans.

looks like your analysis is purely driven by the color of the jersey.

What are you talking about?

There's Hage/1st in the deal too to level things up, so why all the fuss you're doing?

If you have a good prospect to level things up, then it means that Mailloux is not of the same value as Nemec...

Again, he’s been better than every single player on your team. That he’s “nothing” or that his play will fall off is irrelevant to this conversation. It would be malpractice to bench him while he’s playing this well.

Wtf you know, Kovacevic better than Caufield?

You're just a troll.. bad faith..

 

[samsagat]

So if I understand it well, a Habs fan offering Mailloux + Cgy 1st/Hage for Nemec is considered an insult by NJ fans and like if we were giving away shit for a semi god?

And it's us Habs fans that are delusional?

Come on, that ship has sailed.

Such non sense towards Habs fans here on HF board, treating them with such contempt is infantile..

HF board is like a kindergarten yard, with everybody belittling everybody..

We're here to discuss hockey and have fun, not playing little bad faith mind games in order to establish our supposedly "superiority" in some stupid pissing matches..

It's annoying..

Let's be fair in our assumptions, we can disagree without insulting each other's.

We can be of good faith, its way more agreeable for everyone...

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

There is nothing worse than trade proposals with habs in the mix. devils have no reason to trade a 20 year old d man who they selected 2nd overall after he’s played less than 70 games. He’s a luxury they have right now that can marinate in the ahl soon until an injury happens. Devils aren’t unsatisfied with his development at all, just have an overloaded blue line.

 

[Baksfamous112]

It's not like Slafkovsky is exactly in an entire level of "proven".

so I expect his value to be Seamus Casey (better then Mailloux) and 1st round pick.

Slafkovsky was thrown to the wolves and sucked before getting concussed for the rest of his rookie year. Then he sucked for half a year before turning it on and looking like a beast.

Nemec baked longer like Defenseman do and then was thrown to the wolves and because of injuries to top defenseman on the team and ran with it and looked like a top two pairing guy.

Pretty much every single stats suggest otherwise. At least right now.

Slafkovsky didn’t get « concussed » he had a knee injury that shut him down in its first NHL season.

Nemec should be in the AHL right now playing meaningful minutes like Casey is. 20 years old is too young to be in the NHL as a defenseman - unless you’re an exceptional talent - which none of the players mentioned in this thread are.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Slaf is a great young player, and St Louis has done a great job giving him opportunities to succeed. But I'm not even sure I'd move Casey straight up for Slaf, nevermind adding a pick. He's like a defensively responsible Lane Hutson - Hutson will probably be the more productive player, but he takes a lot more risks than Casey.

And before calling me a homer, I had Casey ranked 4th in 2022 before the devils even drafted him.

But I would consider adding a pick to Nemec for Slaf. Something along the lines of:

Nemec
Gritsyuk
2026 1st

for

Slafkovsky
2025 3rd

Obviously Montreal has no reason to move Slaf short of overpayment. Devils likely feel the same way about Nemec.

Yeah. I'm surprised and disappointed. I thought the Habs would be better this year and make some moves towards a playoff spot. They still look like one of the worst teams in the NHL. Not getting nearly enough from the middle of the roster. Anderson, Dach, Matheson, Newhook, Barron, Arima, Savard, Xhakji... not a single one of these guys is having even decent season so far.

Evans, Dvorak and Gallagher are just playing so-so hockey, but not terrible hockey.

Guhle is just solid, but not great.

It's a one line team. And that's it. I like Suzuki, but he's not what I'd want as my 1C. Same with Caufield as a wing... these two are what I'd describe as high-end 2nd liners on better teams.

Slaf is about the only guy on this roster that I see as a potential legit 1st liner. There is nothing close to a top pair defender on this team. Guhle seems like a very good middle pair guy as his ceiling. The idea that Matheson is top pair is preposterous. He's got some nice offensive chops, but his defensive game is a train-wreck.

Probably time to find a better coach.

So let me get this straight.

Casey > Hutson
Casey > Mailloux
Nemec > Mailloux
Nemec > Hutson
* Suzuki shouldn’t be on a first line
* Caufield shouldn’t be on a first line
* Slaf is only a potential first liner if all goes well
* Montreal coach sucks

However, when I look at line-ups I see Mercer and Palat in the Devils top 6. I see Lehkonen as a first liner in Colorado and O’Connor on a 2nd line. I see Rodrigues on a first line and Bennett as a 2C on a cup champion. I see Mikkola and Kulikov on a contender top 4.

Ya’ll have unrealistic expectations as what a top 6 and top 4 should be in a league with a hard cap.

I think from now on I’m just going to blindly agree with all the (always the same) Habs hater takes;

- Hutson is nothing special and doesn’t know how to defend
- Suzuki is a 2C
- Caufield is best suited for the 2nd line
- If all goes well for Slaf, he may or may not become a first liner
- Guhle is just ok. Probably a #4 on a real contender
- There is no alternate universe where Demidov might even become half as good as Michkov
- Savard doesn’t hold any value. Maybe a 4th?
- Evans is a borderline 4C in this league.
- Reinbacher shouldn’t even have been a first round pick. If we’re lucky, he will become an OK #4.

Am I missing anything?