Proposal: MTL & DETROIT

[HuGo Sham]

MTL : Joel Edmundson (great contract) + Ylonen + Luke Tuch + Struble
for
DETROIT : Tyler Bertuzzi

I'd love to have more grid with the habs to play with Gally or Anderson.

Detroit could use a top 4 LD and decent prospects like Ylonen and Tuch.

so habs give up a top 4 dman with grit, size and leadership on a ridiculous contract AND the eqivalent of 3 2nd round prospects - one of whom is already playing in the NHL for a good, but not great winger? This is not good for montreal, and habs won't be contending when bertuzzi is still productive.
Wings fans also tossing insults about the offer, should consider last time a winger went for 4 pieces. and i like bertuzzi. but spare me the pt a game player. That argument works in a bubble when one doesn't consider his last 4 years.
it's also amazing that when it's montreal, all the prospects are basically worthless amirite? never change HF

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Petry is the man for you!

If this was 2018 and Petry was still on the Oilers and in his mid 20s and not making 6.25m for several more years? You're right. But none of those things are true, so no, we don't want Petry.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

so habs give up a top 4 dman with grit, size and leadership on a ridiculous contract AND the eqivalent of 3 2nd round prospects - one of whom is already playing in the NHL for a good, but not great winger? This is not good for montreal. Not. At. All. and i like bertuzzi

Detroit doesn't want this either. Those 3 2nd round level prospects are not at all what we need. We have guys like that by the dozen. If it's a prospect, we need surer things, not shots in the dark.

Edmundson would be nice as a D, he really would... but I'd probably be just as happier to chase a guy like Alec Martinez or try to pry away a guy like Sanheim from Philly.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Detroit doesn't want this either. Those 3 2nd round level prospects are not at all what we need. We have guys like that by the dozen. If it's a prospect, we need surer things, not shots in the dark.

Edmundson would be nice as a D, he really would... but I'd probably be just as happier to chase a guy like Alec Martinez or try to pry away a guy like Sanheim from Philly.

perfect. there's no deal here. Montreal has enough wingers and they need a solid D.Man like edmundson to mentor harris, guhle, romanov, barron etc.
Montreal needs another C to play next to Suzuki.
Wingers can be signed and drafted. One of the three being offered for Bertuzzi should be able to pan out in a time frame that matches habs attempted to return to contention.
And just to be clear again. I like TB, I just wouldn’t spend assets on a winger that doesn’t fit into rebuild right now. Josh Anderson is in that chair atm

 

[Tetragrammaton]

If this was 2018 and Petry was still on the Oilers and in his mid 20s and not making 6.25m for several more years? You're right. But none of those things are true, so no, we don't want Petry.

It’s not a matter of wanting him, it’s written in the stars he’s coming home. Just embrace it, it will be ok.

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Wings have enough of these kinds of players, and can acquire similar from FA. I wouldn't move him for this offer.

 

[Tetsuo]

Assuming the team trading for him can get an extension agreed upon with Bert, this would be a laughably bad offer, Bert's vaccine status notwithstanding.

 

[Big Empty]

Ylonen and Tuch are nearly worthless for Detroit, so it's essentially Edmundson for Bertuzzi. Yikes.

As worthless as Zadina and Rasmussen? Those are some tough draft picks lmao. Edmundson is a solid d man. Keep your brick head Bertuzzi.

 

[Cenzhin]

As worthless as Zadina and Rasmussen? Those are some tough draft picks lmao. Edmundson is a solid d man. Keep your brick head Bertuzzi.

Yeah pretty much. Why add more crap wingers to already crap wingers. Why so mad?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

As worthless as Zadina and Rasmussen? Those are some tough draft picks lmao. Edmundson is a solid d man. Keep your brick head Bertuzzi.

Hey, at least we keep our lackluster picks and don’t lose them for next to nothing because our idiot GM tried to snag a franchise center by signing him to a market-value offer sheet…

 

[dj Mahoney]

Hey, at least we keep our lackluster picks and don’t lose them for next to nothing because our idiot GM tried to snag a franchise center by signing him to a market-value offer sheet…

Hmmmm thats a fact. The Yzerplan is to be a pilot fish and suck up the scraps , remain irrelevant until one day the cocoon will open and a beautiful butterfly will fly out. I wonder If anyone of us will still be on the planet when this happens ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Bad trade for the Habs and bad timing in our rebuild/youth movement too. This Habs fan passes on this trade.

 

[dj Mahoney]

As worthless as Zadina and Rasmussen? Those are some tough draft picks lmao. Edmundson is a solid d man. Keep your brick head Bertuzzi.

Bertie must believe that the government put the vaccine in shampoo.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Except Caufield holds a ton nore vakue than Bert

Ylonen has top6 upside Erne is a AHLer in most team
Strubble is a much better prospeft than Viro
Let's agreed Tuch and Berggren have similar value. I'd rather go for the powrt forward tho.

So yah... very similar

The point wasn't exactly to line up the value across the two trades, but instead to show how a collection of decent pieces looks in comparison to an actually good one. In the same way that you wouldn't accept a Caufield trade from Detroit unless it was Raymond/Seider coming back with guys like Strubble or Viro balancing things out, we won't accept a trade for Bert unless at least one of the pieces coming back is more than filler. Unfortunately, we're just poor trade partners if you're looking for anyone actually good because Montreal has a few truly valuable pieces that you understandably shouldn't be looking to trade, and nothing else I'm really interested in.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Please stop making trade proposals.

 

[Mersss]

Let's not agree with any of that. The whole point is that you're not getting a top line wing at around a point a game for that package. Whether those Montreal pieces are better than the Detroit pieces in these hypothetical trade is completely irrelevant. The point he was making is that you can't slap together three lower value pieces to pull away Bertuzzi and was using Montreal pieces to kind of point that out.

Also, Tuch and Berggren don't have about the same value.

He's been near PPG for a season only... Funny how it's the year RIGHT BEFORE he needs to renews his contract hen? (I know he has another year left, but you get the point)

If he can replicate next year, we can talk about him being a PPG winger ish, but career wise he's a .5/.6PPG winger

 

[njx9]

He's been near PPG for a season only... Funny how it's the year RIGHT BEFORE he needs to renews his contract hen? (I know he has another year left, but you get the point)

If he can replicate next year, we can talk about him being a PPG winger ish, but career wise he's a .5/.6PPG winger

To summarize: This year doesn't count because his contract is almost up but next year also won't count when his contract is up. His history of improving play every season is irrelevant because his scoring rate in his first season four years ago matters more than his recent box scores.

Great post.

 

[nbwingsfan]

When someone only looks at points column...ouch

While I do think that it would take more, or something different, to get Bertuzzi, saying the 3 Habs players are worthless is a joke and shows how little you know about hockey.

Tuch and ylonen are dime a dozen prospects and would be like 10-12 on their current prospect lists and Edmundson is a meh bottom pairing guy who can be found all the time in free agency.

Not even remotely close

 

[nbwingsfan]

Except Caufield holds a ton nore vakue than Bert

Ylonen has top6 upside Erne is a AHLer in most team
Strubble is a much better prospeft than Viro
Let's agreed Tuch and Berggren have similar value. I'd rather go for the powrt forward tho.

So yah... very similar

Tuch and Bergreen absolutely do have have the same value?

 

[izlez]

As worthless as Zadina and Rasmussen? Those are some tough draft picks lmao. Edmundson is a solid d man. Keep your brick head Bertuzzi.

"Hey look. Your team has a bunch of crap players on it. Therefor you should trade me your good players for more crap players so that you can pair these crap players with your crap players"

Really solid basis for a trade proposal. I'm convinced

 

[TS Quint]

Except Caufield holds a ton nore vakue than Bert

Ylonen has top6 upside Erne is a AHLer in most team
Strubble is a much better prospeft than Viro
Let's agreed Tuch and Berggren have similar value. I'd rather go for the powrt forward tho.

So yah... very similar

I love the mental gymnastics it takes to prefer the LESS productive Montreal power forward in one situation yet also not prefer the MORE productive Power forward when it’s a Detroit player.

 

[SoupNazi]

We've got a consensus that neither side likes it.

Locked.