Proposal: MTL & DETROIT

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Not enough for Bertuzzi and also, why would Montreal be trading for Bertuzzi right now? Doesn't seem in line with the team's direction.

Edmundson is a player I'd actually be interested in and would move a modest package of picks and prospects for. I remember him having a NMC though so I'm not sure whether or not there's something to work out there.

 

[Bouboumaster]

As of right now, I would obviously do it as a Habs fan, because I'm not that dumb, but we still don't know what we have in our hands with Ylonen. He played only a handful of game and he looks promising.
I also like Edmunson's game a lot.

 

[SoupNazi]

MTL : Joel Edmundson (great contract) + Ylonen + Luke Tuch + Struble
for
DETROIT : Tyler Bertuzzi

I'd love to have more grid with the habs to play with Gally or Anderson.

Detroit could use a top 4 LD and decent prospects like Ylonen and Tuch.

Uh... no.

 

[jfhabs]

No thanks don't want Bertuzzi

 

[HisNoodliness]

When someone only looks at points column...ouch

While I do think that it would take more, or something different, to get Bertuzzi, saying the 3 Habs players are worthless is a joke and shows how little you know about hockey.

Let's reverse things a bit so you get it.
I counter with Adam Erne, Jonatan Berggren and Eemil Viro for Cole Caufield.
That's how the OP reads. Sure those Wings pieces are fine, but in comparison to an actually good player like Caufield, they're effectively valueless.

 

[Whalers Fan]

In attempting to acquire Bertuzzi, an okay NHL defenseman, an okay D prospect, and an okay forward prospect are kind of worthless. I mean, I could offer you Filip Hronek, Albert Johansson, and Jonathan Berggren for Gallagher and I bet your response would be "Under no circumstances is that acceptable."

That's similar to what you're offering here. So if that trade offer is offensive to you, you know our feeling.

Habs accept your counter offer. Putting Gallagher on a plane right now. Sorry, no take backs on this one.

Have you seen Gallagher's contract?

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Not enough for Bertuzzi and also, why would Montreal be trading for Bertuzzi right now? Doesn't seem in line with the team's direction.

Edmundson is a player I'd actually be interested in and would move a modest package of picks and prospects for. I remember him having a NMC though so I'm not sure whether or not there's something to work out there.

Edmonson isn’t for trade we need him

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Detroit say no. Doesn’t move the needle enough

Doesn’t move the needle at all. This offer is pitiful.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Edmonson isn’t for trade we need him

Yeah that’s fair, I’m not trying to force your hand or anything.

If there’s a deal between Detroit and Montreal, Edmundson is a player I could realistically see Yzerman being interested in is all I’m saying.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

To get Bertuzzi out of Detroit it will take a 1st+A level prospect+another piece.

If Bertuzzi goes all of next season without injury and without COVID protocols he'll be sitting at 30 goals by the trade deadline, and he is the kind of player that excels in the playoffs. If the Wings decide he needs to be moved he'll be the most sought after deadline trade target in a few years. Teams will be trying not just to get him, but to prevent their rival contenders from getting him, because if a team like Tampa or Colorado adds Bertuzzi at the deadline they are going to be a bear to play against. If the Wings are able to work a sign-and-trade with retention you are probably looking at multiple first round picks.

 

[TS Quint]

When someone only looks at points column...ouch

While I do think that it would take more, or something different, to get Bertuzzi, saying the 3 Habs players are worthless is a joke and shows how little you know about hockey.

I don't see any Hab proposals to bring in a bunch of low point defensive specialist or whatever this pile of nickles is supposed to be, in exchange for Suzuki.......wonder why that is.

 

[RationalExpectations]

To get Bertuzzi out of Detroit it will take a 1st+A level prospect+another piece.

If Bertuzzi goes all of next season without injury and without COVID protocols he'll be sitting at 30 goals by the trade deadline, and he is the kind of player that excels in the playoffs. If the Wings decide he needs to be moved he'll be the most sought after deadline trade target in a few years. Teams will be trying not just to get him, but to prevent their rival contenders from getting him, because if a team like Tampa or Colorado adds Bertuzzi at the deadline they are going to be a bear to play against. If the Wings are able to work a sign-and-trade with retention you are probably looking at multiple first round picks.

Depends what you call a A level prospect. If it is a former late 1st developping nicely without overachieving like Barron in the Lehkonen trade then add a 1st and I think you have a deal with one serious contender at least

(and you are right to mention the Covid protocol issues, let us see how they develop)

 

[beowulf]

I don't see any Hab proposals to bring in a bunch of low point defensive specialist or whatever this pile of nickles is supposed to be, in exchange for Suzuki.......wonder why that is.

And where did I not agree that the trade the OP posted was bad?

 

[beowulf]

Let's reverse things a bit so you get it.
I counter with Adam Erne, Jonatan Berggren and Eemil Viro for Cole Caufield.
That's how the OP reads. Sure those Wings pieces are fine, but in comparison to an actually good player like Caufield, they're effectively valueless.

And again where did I not post that the trade idea from the OP was a bad one? So you can reverse all you want but I don't think I see one Habs fan say the trade was something the Wings would do.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Yeah that’s fair, I’m not trying to force your hand or anything.

If there’s a deal between Detroit and Montreal, Edmundson is a player I could realistically see Yzerman being interested in is all I’m saying.

Petry is the man for you!

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Petry is the man for you!

Petry is the last kind of player a rebuilding team needs, especially at the cost of assets. I don't know where the idea of Petry to Detroit came from, but I don't see the Wings trading real assets for a washed up old defenseman with his best years behind him.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Petry is the man for you!

 

[Tetragrammaton]

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You can’t escape destiny

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Petry is the last kind of player a rebuilding team needs, especially at the cost of assets. I don't know where the idea of Petry to Detroit came from, but I don't see the Wings trading real assets for a washed up old defenseman with his best years behind him.

He’s from Detroit that’s where the idea came from. Don’t worry you will like him it will be fine.

 

[Mersss]

Let's reverse things a bit so you get it.
I counter with Adam Erne, Jonatan Berggren and Eemil Viro for Cole Caufield.
That's how the OP reads. Sure those Wings pieces are fine, but in comparison to an actually good player like Caufield, they're effectively valueless.

Except Caufield holds a ton nore vakue than Bert

Ylonen has top6 upside Erne is a AHLer in most team
Strubble is a much better prospeft than Viro
Let's agreed Tuch and Berggren have similar value. I'd rather go for the powrt forward tho.

So yah... very similar

 

[Stony Curtis]

Wings hang up the phone and block the incoming number.

Get a PPO just to be safe.

 

[John B]

In attempting to acquire Bertuzzi, an okay NHL defenseman, an okay D prospect, and an okay forward prospect are kind of worthless. I mean, I could offer you Filip Hronek, Albert Johansson, and Jonathan Berggren for Gallagher and I bet your response would be "Under no circumstances is that acceptable."

That's similar to what you're offering here. So if that trade offer is offensive to you, you know our feeling.

To start, I just want to say that I agree with you. However, if Detroit offered that for Gallagher, I'd take it and fax the paper work to the NHL as fast as I can. Might want to replace Gallagher with Anderson to make a better point.

 

[Habs10025]

MTL : Joel Edmundson (great contract) + Ylonen + Luke Tuch + Struble
for
DETROIT : Tyler Bertuzzi

I'd love to have more grid with the habs to play with Gally or Anderson.

Detroit could use a top 4 LD and decent prospects like Ylonen and Tuch.

No.

 

[John B]

Petry is the last kind of player a rebuilding team needs, especially at the cost of assets. I don't know where the idea of Petry to Detroit came from, but I don't see the Wings trading real assets for a washed up old defenseman with his best years behind him.

Wouldn't cost much, the cap space is more valuable to the Habs than the player. As long as Habs don't have to give any assets to get rid of him or retain salary or take a contract back.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Ylonen has top6 upside Erne is a AHLer in most team
Strubble is a much better prospeft than Viro
Let's agreed Tuch and Berggren have similar value. I'd rather go for the powrt forward tho.

So yah... very similar

Let's not agree with any of that. The whole point is that you're not getting a top line wing at around a point a game for that package. Whether those Montreal pieces are better than the Detroit pieces in these hypothetical trade is completely irrelevant. The point he was making is that you can't slap together three lower value pieces to pull away Bertuzzi and was using Montreal pieces to kind of point that out.

Also, Tuch and Berggren don't have about the same value.