Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] D Kaiden Guhle signs extension with the Canadiens (6 years, $5.55M AAV; begins 2025-26)

[Fledgemyhedge]

Xirik seems to just talk hockey and when I've seen that poster talk about the Habs it's usually neutral, or a fair point.

I think that poster just likes to talk hockey in general..

Whiskey too. Don’t recognize the other guy

 

[GordonGraham]

Theres an interview in the paper today with his agent

They were open to 8 years but wanted 8m+, he said Hugues didnt want anything to do with that

 

[Lazytrout]

And Montreal has certain posters that defend to death every non-Quebec player and will even slander up and coming Quebec players to boost the player not born in the wrong province.

I tend to see way more of those on the habs board

 

[dgibb10]

He's struggled? By what metrics? JFRESHES? LMAO.

Out of 209 dman to play 1000 minutes in the past 2 years 5v5, guhle ranks

182nd in goals share (43.05%)
172nd in expected goals share (45.39%)
179th in shot share (45.77%)
189th in fenwick (44.86%)
189th in corsi (44.03%)

Montreal gets outscored by 0.77 goals every 60 minutes with guhle on the ice. Or over the course of a season for a team that would be -63 goals, without PPs or PKs.

On the PK, out of 147 dmen with at least 150 minutes of PK time over the last 2 years, he ranks

139th in goal differential (-9.13/60)
138th in expected goal differential (-10.01/60)
142nd in shot differential (-61.31/60)
134th in fenwick differential (-82.91/60)
139th in coesi differential (-115.48/60)

In summary, Kaiden Guhle gets outshot, outchanced, and outscored at a very large rate when he's on the ice. I consider this struggling. If you would like me to use a different word, such as "getting bad results", or "gets caved in", I am happy to.

Does this make Kaiden Guhle a bad hockey player? No. As I have said countless times, most dmen would struggle in a situation like this.

I think he's very very good. But the results are the results

 

[Mrb1p]

Out of 209 dman to play 1000 minutes in the past 2 years 5v5, guhle ranks

182nd in goals share (43.05%)
172nd in expected goals share (45.39%)
179th in shot share (45.77%)
189th in fenwick (44.86%)
189th in corsi (44.03%)

Montreal gets outscored by 0.77 goals every 60 minutes with guhle on the ice. Or over the course of a season for a team that would be -63 goals, without PPs or PKs.

On the PK, out of 147 dmen with at least 150 minutes of PK time over the last 2 years, he ranks

139th in goal differential (-9.13/60)
138th in expected goal differential (-10.01/60)
142nd in shot differential (-61.31/60)
134th in fenwick differential (-82.91/60)
139th in coesi differential (-115.48/60)

In summary, Kaiden Guhle gets outshot, outchanced, and outscored at a very large rate when he's on the ice. I consider this struggling. If you would like me to use a different word, such as "getting bad results", or "gets caved in", I am happy to.

Does this make Kaiden Guhle a bad hockey player? No. As I have said countless times, most dmen would struggle in a situation like this.

I think he's very very good. But the results are the results

Damn you're a hockeyref scout! Context, results and performance are all much easier to evaluate when you pickup the remote.

 

[dgibb10]

Damn you're a hockeyref scout! Context, results and performance are all much easier to evaluate when you pickup the remote.

I have stated the context countless times: Kaiden Guhle plays in an incredibly difficult situation

I have stated the results countless times: Kaiden Guhle does not get great on ice results.

I have stated my overall conclusion, from the numbers and the eye test: I think Kaiden Guhle is a VERY good dman.

How his game will change as the situation around him improves (hopefully) remains to be seen. Some guys are meant to eat tough minutes and do that quite well, but may not be able to take advantage of easier minutes when given the opportunities. Some guys utterly dominate when given the right situation but will be out of their depth in tough minutes.

It's the coaches job to maximize those skillsets.

If I'm looking for a guy to eat very very tough minutes, I will take Kaiden Guhle 100%.

If I'm looking for a guy to dominate in a more favourable situation, I'd probably lean a different way (although, again, Guhle has not been given the opportunity in those easier minutes, so his aptitude for that remains to be seen for the most part).

Assuming MTL runs with Lane Hutson and Arber Xhekaj at 2LD and 3LD however, I doubt we will be seeing Guhle get those easy minutes any time soon.

 

[HabsAddict]

Theres an interview in the paper today with his agent

They were open to 8 years but wanted 8m+, he said Hugues didnt want anything to do with that

I love Guhle but he's not worth 8 mil. If he wanted that then sign a two year that brings you into that level...or not. Then see where the chip$ fall.

I don't think he's dynamic enough to be a top 20 NHL offensive dynamo and bring him to that level. Plus he's going to have a lot of competition as an offensive dynamo from Mailman and Hutson. Possibly X.

Early on I saw him as Weber 2, but now i see him more as 1D defensive and 3D offense. But, there is time for him to change his spots....and my mind.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Xirik seems to just talk hockey and when I've seen that poster talk about the Habs it's usually neutral, or a fair point.

I think that poster just likes to talk hockey in general..

Yeah it’s all good

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Out of 209 dman to play 1000 minutes in the past 2 years 5v5, guhle ranks

182nd in goals share (43.05%)
172nd in expected goals share (45.39%)
179th in shot share (45.77%)
189th in fenwick (44.86%)
189th in corsi (44.03%)

Montreal gets outscored by 0.77 goals every 60 minutes with guhle on the ice. Or over the course of a season for a team that would be -63 goals, without PPs or PKs.

On the PK, out of 147 dmen with at least 150 minutes of PK time over the last 2 years, he ranks

139th in goal differential (-9.13/60)
138th in expected goal differential (-10.01/60)
142nd in shot differential (-61.31/60)
134th in fenwick differential (-82.91/60)
139th in coesi differential (-115.48/60)

In summary, Kaiden Guhle gets outshot, outchanced, and outscored at a very large rate when he's on the ice. I consider this struggling. If you would like me to use a different word, such as "getting bad results", or "gets caved in", I am happy to.

Does this make Kaiden Guhle a bad hockey player? No. As I have said countless times, most dmen would struggle in a situation like this.

I think he's very very good. But the results are the results

Your stats are fine by me!
Young Ghule can be proud of those stats, coming into the league as a rookie/sophomore, playing big minutes on one of the worst teams in the league!! Come on man? Kaiden projects to be a top pairing d man in the NHL and his numbers are a good education with a solid foundation.

 

[bud12]

Out of 209 dman to play 1000 minutes in the past 2 years 5v5, guhle ranks

182nd in goals share (43.05%)
172nd in expected goals share (45.39%)
179th in shot share (45.77%)
189th in fenwick (44.86%)
189th in corsi (44.03%)

Montreal gets outscored by 0.77 goals every 60 minutes with guhle on the ice. Or over the course of a season for a team that would be -63 goals, without PPs or PKs.

On the PK, out of 147 dmen with at least 150 minutes of PK time over the last 2 years, he ranks

139th in goal differential (-9.13/60)
138th in expected goal differential (-10.01/60)
142nd in shot differential (-61.31/60)
134th in fenwick differential (-82.91/60)
139th in coesi differential (-115.48/60)

In summary, Kaiden Guhle gets outshot, outchanced, and outscored at a very large rate when he's on the ice. I consider this struggling. If you would like me to use a different word, such as "getting bad results", or "gets caved in", I am happy to.

Does this make Kaiden Guhle a bad hockey player? No. As I have said countless times, most dmen would struggle in a situation like this.

I think he's very very good. But the results are the results

Look, TEAM stats who are took without context. Again, good job master chef

 

[StreetHawk]

Theres an interview in the paper today with his agent

They were open to 8 years but wanted 8m+, he said Hugues didnt want anything to do with that

So in doing the math, the agent valued 6 years at $33.3 mill. 8 years at a minimum of $8 mill per is $64 mill. That is a $30.7 mill difference. So those last 2 years are worth $15.35 mill each?

Agent came down a lot if he thought he could get $8 mill per over 8.

It would have made more sense it if this was a 3 year bridge deal then it’s like $16.65 mill. Then it’s $47.35 over 5 years which is then $9.47 mill per to get the same $64 mill over 8 years he was asking.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Lol

Never change, ROC
Never change

ROC? I'm not a bird? Are you accusing me of being another poster?? As a Habs fan, not surprised to see which obnoxious posters are offended by what I said. Same exact crew every time.

 

[Rob Sense]

I swear dgibb, whiskey and xirik are in every habs thread

I could honestly care less about the devils
Why do they care about the habs so much?

they are closet habs fans...coming out soon. NJ is so blah!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I tend to see way more of those on the habs board

What you are reading is accurate evaluations.

 

[Sensatauro]

Contract is infinitely better then leafs Tanev contract.

Well played move by the Habs

 

[dgibb10]

Contract is infinitely better then leafs Tanev contract.

Well played move by the Habs

Comparing UFA contracts to a guy who wasn't eligble for UFA until 2029 is incredibly stupid.

 

[Lazytrout]

What you are reading is accurate evaluations.

Not saying there's many of those either. In both case it's rare and I'm obviously not talking about simple critisism.

 

[StreetHawk]

Comparing UFA contracts to a guy who wasn't eligble for UFA until 2029 is incredibly stupid.

Correct. One is a ufa who can sign anywhere. The other even if he waited til his elc expired is a rfa with no arbitration rights. At best he hopes for an OS which we have not seen handed out in 3 seasons.

 

[dgibb10]

Correct. One is a ufa who can sign anywhere. The other even if he waited til his elc expired is a rfa with no arbitration rights. At best he hopes for an OS which we have not seen handed out in 3 seasons.

Yep, Guhle's contract should be compared to like an Alex Vlasic for example. (tbh probably one of the best comps in terms of a very good young defensive dman in a tough situation on a dogshit team)

 

[Mersss]

Yep, Guhle's contract should be compared to like an Alex Vlasic for example. (tbh probably one of the best comps in terms of a very good young defensive dman in a tough situation on a dogshit team)

Guhle is a better dman come on now

 

[StreetHawk]

Yep, Guhle's contract should be compared to like an Alex Vlasic for example. (tbh probably one of the best comps in terms of a very good young defensive dman in a tough situation on a dogshit team)

Still waiting on Seider in Detroit to sign. He’s got the full 3 years on the elc to base his numbers on.

 

[dgibb10]

Guhle is a better dman come on now

Did I say he wasn't? I said they were comparable.

I'm sure hawks fans would say Vlasic is better.
I'm sure MTL fans will say guhle.

They're in the same tier, which is what is important for this discussion.

Still waiting on Seider in Detroit to sign. He’s got the full 3 years on the elc to base his numbers on.

Seider feels like a whole different animal. He's like a full tier above in terms of how difficult his assignments are compared to everyone else.

And his results are also not great the last 2 years, but we also saw him really be elite in an easier role as a rookie, which gives a lot of hope, and is a level I don't think Guhle or Vlasic have ever reached

I expect him to get big big money

 

[MXD]

ROC? I'm not a bird? Are you accusing me of being another poster?? As a Habs fan, not surprised to see which obnoxious posters are offended by what I said. Same exact crew every time.

You're the one being offended here, sweetie.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Because the whiskey dude is as annoying as our whiskey dude.

One of my fav posts ever!

 

[malcb33]

I love Guhle but he's not worth 8 mil. If he wanted that then sign a two year that brings you into that level...or not. Then see where the chip$ fall.

I don't think he's dynamic enough to be a top 20 NHL offensive dynamo and bring him to that level. Plus he's going to have a lot of competition as an offensive dynamo from Mailman and Hutson. Possibly X.

Early on I saw him as Weber 2, but now i see him more as 1D defensive and 3D offense. But, there is time for him to change his spots....and my mind.

Got to keep in mind the context of his role last year. For most of the season he was asked to (defensively) babysit Matheson while playing on this offside and taking a lot of hard minutes against top opposition.

That's not an easy task for anyone, let alone someone as young as Ghule.