Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] D Kaiden Guhle signs extension with the Canadiens (6 years, $5.55M AAV; begins 2025-26)

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Lol okay. Markov was an actual top 5 D in his prime, unlike the other one you mentionned.
Markov was not even in the same stratosphere defensively as McDonagh.

Markov was a good PP QB. McDonagh was better in every other aspect

At Markov's "peak" (when he got his undeserved norris votes) in 2007-2009.

He still got significantly outshot, outchanced, and outplayed while on the ice 5v5.

45.83% xGoals share those years lol.
 

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Markov was not even in the same stratosphere defensively as McDonagh.

Markov was a good PP QB. McDonagh was better in every other aspect

At Markov's "peak" (when he got his undeserved norris votes) in 2007-2009.

He still got significantly outshot, outchanced, and outplayed while on the ice 5v5.

45.83% xGoals share those years lol.
Undeserved lmao

My guess is you never watched a game of hockey in your life. Get off the stats page.
 

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Markov was not even in the same stratosphere defensively as McDonagh.

Markov was a good PP QB. McDonagh was better in every other aspect

At Markov's "peak" (when he got his undeserved norris votes) in 2007-2009.

He still got significantly outshot, outchanced, and outplayed while on the ice 5v5.

45.83% xGoals share those years lol.

Markov's peak was was mostly on IR unfortunately. I believe couple major knee operations, and a sliced Achilles which all happened in a short time span.

He was a very good d-man. I probably wouldn't say top 5 of his era but I'd definitely take markov over mcdonagh even though I thought highly of him as well.

His best feat may have been carrying komisarek who then got a great deal from the leafs.
 
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Markov's peak was was mostly on IR unfortunately. I believe couple major knee operations, and a sliced Achilles which all happened in a short time span.

He was a very good d-man. I probably wouldn't say top 5 of his era but I'd definitely take mcdonagh over him even though I thought highly of him as well.

His best feat may have been carrying komisarek who then got a great deal from the leafs.

Agreed 😉

Zero chance I'd take McDo over Markov. Criminally underrated by many fans... and I think McDo has had an excellent career, easily the 2nd biggest blunder in Habs trade history.
 
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Really does the agent no good to say that $8 mill AAV number in an interview. Again, to need $30 mill total for years 7 and 8 is just insane when he takes $33.3 mill over 6. Only makes the agent look bad when he gets half his target but signs for 75% of the term.
I agree. Him negotiating that way makes him sound dumb and him telling the press makes him even dumber. But I guess he sees himself as sharp and that he did nothing wrong. Hughes is probably shaking his head as a former Agent.
 

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Good for Guhle on this deal imo - takes him right to FA at the cost of a bit lower AAV. May not be worth the contract today but in a couple years when he's in his prime he should be a solid top 4 guy.

Imo he's already our best two way dman, and definitely top 4.

Long term I expect him to be surpassed by Reinbacher. But Guhle will still be a great defensive stalwart who can kick start the rush.
 

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Awesome deal, for those wondering why hes 22 and has been our #2 D with matheson while playing his offside, this contract is gonna age beautifully
It really should. Out of their young dmen, he’s always been the one I thought would transition rather quickly and fairly easily, as he has.

He’s such a smart player and his recovery skills are top notch. They start immediately before he’s even made a mistake. It’s something you look for with young dmen. It means the game has already slowed down for him. That he reads everything happening in real-time.

For example, if he’s trying to force an outlet pass between two opposing forwards, he immediately positions himself to recover if the pass goes wrong. He doesn’t wait until the pass is intercepted. He’s already cheated over, to put himself between the net and where the pass would’ve been intercepted. Most young dmen, would either continue up ice, or they’re admiring their pass, hoping it gets through. If it doesn’t, they’re caught and the turnover is in their net.

It’s a small thing, but it’s what all great NHL dmen do naturally, and it hasn’t mattered if it was his first season in the WHL, or his last shift in Montreal this past season. I remember watching an Oil Kings game when they went on their run, and the 4 of us watching him and some other players, just looked at each other, like yep, he’s playing in the NHL.

He already does most of the little things well, and has since the day he turned pro. Reading the ice is imperative to have success in today’s game. He reads the ice as well as any young dman. It’s a great signing. The only concern I have with him, is his ability to stay healthy.
 

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What makes Malkin a shell? He significantly out-produced Suzuki at 5v5 with worse linemates while posting great possession numbers.
Who was playing against the opposing number 1 line? Crosby or Malkin? I have no idea and thats why im asking. But what i know is that its much harder to produce at 5v5 playing against number 1 lines than playing against number 2 lines. Last year, the habs had 1 number 1 line and a bunch of number 3-4 lines. Its easy for opposing teams to concentrate their defensive against a single because thats the only one able to score.
 
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Markov's peak was was mostly on IR unfortunately. I believe couple major knee operations, and a sliced Achilles which all happened in a short time span.

He was a very good d-man. I probably wouldn't say top 5 of his era but I'd definitely take markov over mcdonagh even though I thought highly of him as well.

His best feat may have been carrying komisarek who then got a great deal from the leafs.
22 year old Ryan McDonagh was so good he convinced people Dan Girardi was a norris caliber dman.

McDonagh simply put up much better results. Markov often got outshot, outchanced, and outscored while on the ice.

I refuse to call a guy a top 10 dman if he isn't winning his minutes 5v5

McDonagh dominated against the hardest competition, year in, year out
 

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The other two are worthless, but Xirik is one of my favorite reads on the forum. Insightful and neutral.
don't know the other two as well but whiskey knows his shit, even when I see things another way I can't deny his knowledge of the sport and he always makes informed points.
 

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don't know the other two as well but whiskey knows his shit, even when I see things another way I can't deny his knowledge of the sport and he always makes informed points.
Knows how to read numbers alright.

The stats page (total points that Markov got from the PP) was what made people in the 2000s who didn't know better think Markov was elite
Ridiculous post. Theres a reason why Markov is the most universally loved player of the 21st century for the Habs.

Hint: it wasn't because he was a PP specialist, even if he was clearly a top 10 PP player of his era.
 

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22 year old Ryan McDonagh was so good he convinced people Dan Girardi was a norris caliber dman.

McDonagh simply put up much better results. Markov often got outshot, outchanced, and outscored while on the ice.

I refuse to call a guy a top 10 dman if he isn't winning his minutes 5v5

McDonagh dominated against the hardest competition, year in, year out
Girardi I recall as a shot blocking machine. Who called him norris caliber?

Again, I'm not here to pump a guy up at the expense of discredting another, because I thought both dmen were very good.

If watching markov play didn't impress you, then watching the team play whenever he was out of the lineup should have made things more apparent that he had alot more value than just being able to run a PP.
 
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Girardi I recall as a shot blocking machine. Who called him norris caliber?

Again, I'm not here to pump a guy up at the expense of discredting another, because I thought both dmen were very good.

If watching markov play didn't impress you, then watching the team play whenever he was out of the lineup should have made things more apparent that he had alot more value than just being able to run a PP.
Norris voters did.

Ryan McDonagh was so good at age 22 that he convinced NHL media and voters that Dan Giarardi was a norris caliber dman.

I think Markov was a very good dman. Certainly a number 1 dman and an excellent PP QB.

But Ryan McDonagh was on another level, in terms of his defending, the competition he played against, and his ability on the PK.

And this is me talking about a guy who spent his prime playing for my least favourite team in the NHL.
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Knows how to read numbers alright.


Ridiculous post. Theres a reason why Markov is the most universally loved player of the 21st century for the Habs.

Hint: it wasn't because he was a PP specialist, even if he was clearly a top 10 PP player of his era.
Yes, a player who played 990 games for a franchise is beloved and overrated by fans of that franchise.
 

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Norris voters did.

Ryan McDonagh was so good at age 22 that he convinced NHL media and voters that Dan Giarardi was a norris caliber dman.

I think Markov was a very good dman. Certainly a number 1 dman and an excellent PP QB.

But Ryan McDonagh was on another level, in terms of his defending, the competition he played against, and his ability on the PK.

And this is me talking about a guy who spent his prime playing for my least favourite team in the NHL. View attachment 899181


Yes, a player who played 990 games for a franchise is beloved and overrated by fans of that franchise.
Markov was a better player than Mcdonagh WHILE Mcdonagh was in his prime and Markov was a 31+ player. During his prime, Markov was only bested by Lidstrom, Chara and Weber. You have to stop this.

You mention Dan Girardi and I would raise you Mike Komisarek.
 

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Markov was a damn good defenseman but I wouldn't raise him to anywhere near Weber and even prime Subban level.

Right now the Habs have a pile prospects that may be better then Markov level. Guhle is already better then Markov defensively and in a few years, pile more points.

Markov was a great player but...we're hoping we got Chara and Hughes level players in our system.

We're starved from the days of Ministry of Defense. That's what we want back....
 

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