Proposal: MTL-COL-PIT

[ole ole]

yea you keep saying that without explaining why. They have the cap room with tons more coming soon. They have more pics and prospects than they know what to do with. There is a clear need to upgrade the winger spot on the 2nd line. Why doesn't it make sense now?

Here's why. Giving up . two 1sts, two 2nd and Matheson for 1 yr of Necas is totally ridiculous. If that isn't enough of a reason than i don't know what else to say.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Here's why. Giving up . two 1sts, two 2nd and Matheson for 1 yr of Necas is totally ridiculous. If that isn't enough of a reason than i don't know what else to say.

100% agree. I would add that it would be so incredibly stupid that Hughes would be investigated for tampering.

 

[General Fanager]

Here's why. Giving up . two 1sts, two 2nd and Matheson for 1 yr of Necas is totally ridiculous. If that isn't enough of a reason than i don't know what else to say.

Perhaps read my other posts. I didn't mean him specifically, I meant getting a winger because a 2C is too expensive right now isn't necessarily a bad idea.

I also didn't mention I wanted this deal anyways.

 

[General Fanager]

They need to reserve the caproom for team needs. Unless you spend on a winger with expiring contract.

Also they have too many wingers as is:

Slaf
Caufiels
Newhook/Dach (one will be a winger)
Laine
Demidov
JoshA
Gally
Heins

We don’t need another winger unless by trade with a winger going the other way.

Slaf and Caufield are 1st liners. The others are 3rd liners at best except for Demidov.

 

[viceroy]

I am sure they have made the calls and check on the cost for available renters.Since we know lots of teams are after a 2C, Maybe the cost is too high. It might be wise to add a strong winger for the 2nd line and worry about a 2c at the deadline or next summer.

Yeah. Let's just spend assets and Cap space for someone we don't urgently need. Just how fricking expensive are 2C's in the NHL right now if 1yr of a RW costs us 2 1st's, 2 2nd's and Matheson? Some Habs fans out here just wanna trade for trades' sake.

 

[General Fanager]

Yeah. Let's just spend assets and Cap space for someone we don't urgently need. Just how fricking expensive are 2C's in the NHL right now if 1yr of a RW costs us 2 1st's, 2 2nd's and Matheson? Some Habs fans out here just wanna trade for trades' sake.

wow you are having trouble understanding....

I never said this was a good deal and I never even said Necas was a winger I wanted. I said if the costs of getting s centre is too steep right now getting a winger to play with Demidov isn't a bad idea.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Slaf and Caufield are 1st liners. The others are 3rd liners at best except for Demidov.

And we have too many of them. So you are advocating adding another winger and blowing picks etc and capspace to acquire when it is not a need.

Genius!

 

[General Fanager]

And we have too many of them. So you are advocating adding another winger and blowing picks etc and capspace to acquire when it is not a need.

Genius!

I cant believe you think getting a talented winger to play with Demidov is not a need. Its probably not the main need but like I tried to explain several times, If the cost for a 2C is too high then move onto the next need or the one after that.

As for the Surplus of wingers, Laine will be gone by the deadline and Dach will be broken by November. Then you will be here desperate for a winger......

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I cant believe you think getting a talented winger to play with Demidov is not a need. Its probably not the main need but like I tried to explain several times, If the cost for a 2C is too high then move onto the next need or the one after that.

As for the Surplus of wingers, Laine will be gone by the deadline and Dach will be broken by November. Then you will be here desperate for a winger......

Nothing you say makes sense. Habs don’t need a winger for Demidov. Habs need a 2C and top 4 veteran RHD. Winger is the last thing the Habs need.

There are now 4 x Habs fans who have told you the same thing. Yet you double down on stupidity….

 

[Dr Amazing]

He won't go to Colorado either.

Yes he will.

 

[General Fanager]

Nothing you say makes sense. Habs don’t need a winger for Demidov. Habs need a 2C and top 4 veteran RHD. Winger is the last thing the Habs need.

There are now 4 x Habs fans who have told you the same thing. Yet you double down on stupidity….

I will say it for the last time and then I will ignore you because clearly you have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said getting this specific winger was a good idea and also never said getting one was the main goal. I simply said if getting the 2c they need was not possible then improve the 2nd line in other ways was something they should look at. It is possible to have wingers drive the line instead of the centre.

The 4 other Habs fans (like you) didn't bother to read my post and assumed I meant this winger or the deal in the OP. Which again is false.

I feel bad for you if you feel improving the 2nd line is stupid.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I will say it for the last time and then I will ignore you because clearly you have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said getting this specific winger was a good idea and also never said getting one was the main goal. I simply said if getting the 2c they need was not possible then improve the 2nd line in other ways was something they should look at. It is possible to have wingers drive the line instead of the centre.

The 4 other Habs fans (like you) didn't bother to read my post and assumed I meant this winger or the deal in the OP. Which again is false.

I feel bad for you if you feel improving the 2nd line is stupid.

Stupid is not addressing needs. Habs have two clear targets this offseason and winger is not them. Habs will prioritize needs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Crosby wanted to leave the Penguins, he wouldn't have re-signed last year.

I don't think he wants to leave and I'm pretty sure he wanted the Pens to improve the roster but Dubas is the GM. I don't know about you but I doubt Crosby will just be OK with a Pens rebuild. If the Pens actually had good youth for him to work with, I think he would be fine but man... the pipeline is thin.

Certainly reminds me of the P Kane situation with the Hawks. Lots of Hawks fans said similar things that you see Pens fans saying today.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think he wants to leave and I'm pretty sure he wanted the Pens to improve the roster but Dubas is the GM. I don't know about you but I doubt Crosby will just be OK with a Pens rebuild. If the Pens actually had good youth for him to work with, I think he would be fine but man... the pipeline is thin.

Certainly reminds me of the P Kane situation with the Hawks. Lots of Hawks fans said similar things that you see Pens fans saying today.

The Penguins literally traded Guentzel last year yet Crosby still re-signed after the trade. Dubas made it crystal clear to Crosby that the Penguins were selling and rebuilding, yet Crosby still re-signed.

Just because you want to believe Crosby will go to the Habs doesn’t mean you know what he wants.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Penguins literally traded Guentzel last year yet Crosby still re-signed after the trade. Dubas made it crystal clear to Crosby that the Penguins were selling and rebuilding, yet Crosby still re-signed.

Just because you want to believe Crosby will go to the Habs doesn’t mean you know what he wants.

Yes, I think Crosby is allowing the Pens a few chances to improve the roster. But if they go rebuild or youth movement and he has limited talent to work with... I can see this situation changing.

 

[Andy P]

Why is this still a discussion? Crosby is not going anywhere. He has stated multiple times last year that he is only playing for the penguins and will be retiring with them regardless where they are at standings wise.

It would be different if he built this huge legacy and wanted at least 1 shot at the cup but he already has 3. His biggest career decision anymore is how long does he want to keep playing for and I am sure him and Dubas will take it year by year

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why is this still a discussion? Crosby is not going anywhere. He has stated multiple times last year that he is only playing for the penguins and will be retiring with them regardless where they are at standings wise.

It would be different if he built this huge legacy and wanted at least 1 shot at the cup but he already has 3. His biggest career decision anymore is how long does he want to keep playing for and I am sure him and Dubas will take it year by year

The gullible scale works at both ends. Fans thinking it's 100% not happening because of verbal words to the media vs others who are talking about the trade possibility. A team that looks like they are heading to youth/rebuild and has a star who is very competitive and wants to win. I don't know about you but Crosby does not seem like the type to just be OK with being on a team that is heading towards rebuild to ride out his career. At least with last season, they were considered a bubble playoff team. Heading into this season, it appears they are looking to sell on various players. Curious to see how that plays out.

Like it or not, If the Pens don't improve the roster now, this story is not going away. There is no way to know the future on this situation and this is basically just pondering thoughts. Kind of what these boards are based on.

 

[FerrisRox]

Stupid is not addressing needs. Habs have two clear targets this offseason and winger is not them. Habs will prioritize needs.

It really comes down to how you characterize the Canadiens needs.

While the Canadiens undoubtedly need an upgrade at 2C, they also "need" to find an offensively skilled player to pair with Ivan Demidov, and while that would ideally be a centre, it may not be and upgrade line 2, and finding solid talent for Demidov to play with, is unquestionably a clear target for the Canadiens this offseason.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yes, I think Crosby is allowing the Pens a few chances to improve the roster. But if they go rebuild or youth movement and he has limited talent to work with... I can see this situation changing.

So basically, what you're saying is that you think Crosby will want a trade because you want him on your team.

It's a complete nonsensical argument to make because Crosby already saw the Penguins doing a tear-down last off-season but still decided to re-sign. From the 2024 deadline to when Crosby extended, these were the moves the Penguins made:

-Sold Guentzel for Bunting and futures at the deadline
-Sold Smith for draft picks
-Took on Hayes for draft picks
-Took on Glass for draft picks
-Only signed Beauviller and Grzelcyk in UFA to 1 year deals

Despite all of that, Crosby still re-signed on a 2 year deal with the Penguins. If he wasn't okay with being on the Penguins as they're doing a full scale rebuild, he wouldn't have re-signed last off-season. This idea that Crosby signed with an idea that the Penguins would try to be competitive quickly, and is somehow betrayed by Dubas and will want a trade a year after signing an extension, is a complete fantasy you're making up because you want to rationalize why Crosby will want to go to your team.

 

[Andy P]

The gullible scale works at both ends. Fans thinking it's 100% not happening because of verbal words to the media vs others who are talking about the trade possibility. A team that looks like they are heading to youth/rebuild and has a star who is very competitive and wants to win. I don't know about you but Crosby does not seem like the type to just be OK with being on a team that is heading towards rebuild to ride out his career. At least with last season, they were considered a bubble playoff team. Heading into this season, it appears they are looking to sell on various players. Curious to see how that plays out.

Like it or not, If the Pens don't improve the roster now, this story is not going away.

I would rather take the verbal words straight from the players mouth vs the fans that play too much NHL25. You are correct about 1 thing, Crosby is very competitive but he is more loyal than anything else. A lot of these so called "reporters" that claim the pens are selling off could be a smokescreen. Dubas already stated they are not so much done selling but starting to put pieces together now. Not saying that they are not selling because I do believe they will trade at least 2-3 roster players this offseason but his goal is to get younger and faster more so than getting picks and prospects back.

 

[landy]

So basically, what you're saying is that you think Crosby will want a trade because you want him on your team.

It's a complete nonsensical argument to make because Crosby already saw the Penguins doing a tear-down last off-season but still decided to re-sign. From the 2024 deadline to when Crosby extended, these were the moves the Penguins made:

-Sold Guentzel for Bunting and futures at the deadline
-Sold Smith for draft picks
-Took on Hayes for draft picks
-Took on Glass for draft picks
-Only signed Beauviller and Grzelcyk in UFA to 1 year deals

Despite all of that, Crosby still re-signed on a 2 year deal with the Penguins. If he wasn't okay with being on the Penguins as they're doing a full scale rebuild, he wouldn't have re-signed last off-season. This idea that Crosby signed with an idea that the Penguins would try to be competitive quickly, and is somehow betrayed by Dubas and will want a trade a year after signing an extension, is a complete fantasy you're making up because you want to rationalize why Crosby will want to go to your team.

Seems pretty obvious hes staying to kick it for one more Olympics and to retire a lifelong Penguin. If he decides to help the team and get assets back for himself, said assets will be minimal since hes picking the team and that team isnt going to give up a player like Necas or even multiple 1sts when theyre not competing against anyone else.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It really comes down to how you characterize the Canadiens needs.

While the Canadiens undoubtedly need an upgrade at 2C, they also "need" to find an offensively skilled player to pair with Ivan Demidov, and while that would ideally be a centre, it may not be and upgrade line 2, and finding solid talent for Demidov to play with, is unquestionably a clear target for the Canadiens this offseason.

Habs have Laine and Dach and Newhook. Unless they trade these players for an upgrade, they won’t just sign a top 6 winger or burn prospect/ draft capital to do so.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It really comes down to how you characterize the Canadiens needs.

While the Canadiens undoubtedly need an upgrade at 2C, they also "need" to find an offensively skilled player to pair with Ivan Demidov, and while that would ideally be a centre, it may not be and upgrade line 2, and finding solid talent for Demidov to play with, is unquestionably a clear target for the Canadiens this offseason.

Beyond Necas contract demands and apparent desire to test Free Agency in a year, Montreal really needs a top-6 forward who's responsible defensively.