Proposal: MTL & CGY

[Haatley]

No thanks. I'm content to just pick BPA at #9. I don't see much difference between 2 and 12. Certainly not our best young forward and a high 2nd rounder. Picking out Pospisil at least shows you watch the Flames though and are good at player evaluation.

Did you just call Pospisil our best young forward?

 

[Double Dion]

Did you just call Pospisil our best young forward?

Yes and I meant it. Better than Zary, better than Coronato.

 

[blankall]

No.

Martin Pospisil is worth more than the very slight upgrade from #5 to #9. From what I can tell, #5-9 will be a matter of preference, with all the prospects on the same level. Pospisil is the Sam Bennett the Flames should have never traded.

 

[Double Dion]

No.

Martin Pospisil is worth more than the very slight upgrade from #5 to #9. From what I can tell, #5-9 will be a matter of preference, with all the prospects on the same level. Pospisil is the Sam Bennett the Flames should have never traded.

Agreed. How you can watch that Florida Edmonton series and not see how valuable players like Pospisil are is beyond me. He's excellent defensively, a demon on the forecheck and very hard to play against. Fill our entire middle six with Pospisils and we'll win a Stanley Cup.

 

[blankall]

Agreed. How you can watch that Florida Edmonton series and not see how valuable players like Pospisil are is beyond me. He's excellent defensively, a demon on the forecheck and very hard to play against. Fill our entire middle six with Pospisils and we'll win a Stanley Cup.

It's a case of magic beans too. The young player who has already shown his worth should have more value than a crapshoot.

 

[Double Dion]

It's a case of magic beans too. The young player who has already shown his worth should have more value than a crapshoot.

Agreed. I said in an earlier post I wouldn't trade Pospisil for a pick outside the top 13. Trading 9, 13 and Markstrom for #5 seems really dumb when picks 2 to 13 could go almost in any direction.

 

[Mersss]

Agreed. I said in an earlier post I wouldn't trade Pospisil for a pick outside the top 13. Trading 9, 13 and Markstrom for #5 seems really dumb when picks 2 to 13 could go almost in any direction.

Lol come on now ..

It Pospisil is worth the 13oA pick, so is a shit ton of players in the NHL.

We'll tive you Harvey Pinard for your 9OA considering he's younger and better than your plug

 

[Double Dion]

Lol come on now ..

It Pospisil is worth the 13oA pick, so is a shit ton of players in the NHL.

We'll tive you Harvey Pinard for your 9OA considering he's younger and better than your plug

Oof. This is a painful post. Pospisil is vastly better.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Agreed. I said in an earlier post I wouldn't trade Pospisil for a pick outside the top 13. Trading 9, 13 and Markstrom for #5 seems really dumb when picks 2 to 13 could go almost in any direction.

You might not want to trade Martin Pospisil for a pick outside the top-13, but I'm pretty sure he'd be an ex-Flame if Calgary were offered any 1st round pick (not that I would expect anyone to make such an offer).

 

[Mersss]

Oof. This is a painful post. Pospisil is vastly better.

How??? Please explain?

Older, lower production at the NHL level... Never been a force in the AHL, please explain

 

[biturbo19]

Sorry, but the Habs don't need Pospisil or a prime Gallagher, at least not at the cost of moving down from the 5th overall pick. Montreal has plenty of prospects, they lack in elite offensive players.

Yeah. This doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, for either team really. Habs have bunches of prospects, but what they're missing is guys with super high end offensive potential. Which they're more likely to be able to snag with pick 5 than moving back. And as much as Pospisil is a useful pesty/gritty player with a bit of scoring touch...he's not a guy with that real huge offensive upside either. Doesn't make any sense for the Flames to move him, but he doesn't move the needle much for the Habs either. So it kind of doubly doesn't make sense to include him...from either end.

 

[HuGort]

I guarantee this post looks really dumb within 15 days. Markstrom is going to bring back a mid 1st in value.

Is that retained?

 

[pth2]

Nope. To move down from #5, and not longer be picking the guy their scouts most like, would take more than that from Calgary.

Let's keep in mind, media types can say team valuations for top-15 prospects this year are pretty even, that's not to say that teams don't have different ideas. It's the reason they're paid: to have an opinion. A head scout who says "meh, it's all the same after Celebrini" shouldn't be working in the NHL in any type of role. These guys are paid to have an opinion on who to pick in the 7th round....

Overall, this is similar to Montreal looking to move down last season: the offers just weren't valuable enough, and neither is this one.

 

[HighLifeMan]

How??? Please explain?

Older, lower production at the NHL level... Never been a force in the AHL, please explain

For starters
Pospisil is a year younger..
Pospisil had a significantly better season..
Pospisil is not 5'9.. He's a 6'2, forechecking stud
Pospisil has sparkling analytics and is a legit possession driver.. while Harvey Pinard's underlaying number are absolutely terrible
Pospisil was 6th in the NHL among forwards in hits despite playing only 63 games.

Pinard is proving to be the very definition of a journeymen AHL point producer. Comparing these two is flat out silly.

 

[CgyFlamesftw]

Pospisil being under rated here, reports new jersey and few other teams want markstrom and pospisil as a package but conroy is refusing to move our physical winger. Not to mention he just had an outstanding world championship.

 

[Double Dion]

You might not want to trade Martin Pospisil for a pick outside the top-13, but I'm pretty sure he'd be an ex-Flame if Calgary were offered any 1st round pick (not that I would expect anyone to make such an offer).

Again, read Craig Conroy's comments I posted above. I don't think so.

Is that retained?

Likely, but it's debatable. Goalies are hard to value, but goalie guys really like Markstrom's analytics. It probably depends on what your team needs. I think he's worth the most to teams like Ottawa and NJ that bleed high danger chances. Less valuable to LA who doesn't.

 

[Double Dion]

How??? Please explain?

Older, lower production at the NHL level... Never been a force in the AHL, please explain

Seriously? Pospisil is a possession driver. Every line he goes on gets better. He's extremely physical and draws penalties. He's our fastest forward. He's dominant in the possession game. He plays 2nd line competition. Pinard is closer to Ben Jones than he is Pospisil. We are a weak forward group and he wouldn't even be in our lineup.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Again, read Craig Conroy's comments I posted above. I don't think so.

Conroy had some nice things to say about Martin Pospisil, but that's not so surprising coming from the team's GM. I noticed he said Pospisil would be with the team for a "long, long time", but I think he'd change his mind and make it a short, short time if offered a 1st-round pick.

 

[Double Dion]

Conroy had some nice things to say about Martin Pospisil, but that's not so surprising coming from the team's GM. I noticed he said Pospisil would be with the team for a "long, long time", but I think he'd change his mind and make it a short, short time if offered a 1st-round pick.

No he wouldn't. The only players we've gotten better in the first round then Pospisil over the past decade were both top 6 picks. You have a 48% chance or less of getting a player who plays 200 games once you hit pick #21. People are absurd with how they think of late 1sts. Pospisil is very hard to replace. The last guy we had who played like him was drafted 4thOA, is about to win a cup with Florida and he wasn't as good defensively.

 

[Ezpz]

Seriously? Pospisil is a possession driver. Every line he goes on gets better. He's extremely physical and draws penalties. He's our fastest forward. He's dominant in the possession game. He plays 2nd line competition. Pinard is closer to Ben Jones than he is Pospisil. We are a weak forward group and he wouldn't even be in our lineup.

You're literally describing RHP last year though. This year he was injured, fourth line, or scratched most of the year.

Habs would make the finals in the west just like they did last time they played there. Habs are only picking 5th because the Atlantic is better than every other division in hockey by a wide margin. Our former tenth dman scratched during our finals run is playing top 4 minutes on a finals team. Even Buffalo or the Sens would make the playoffs in either west division with a top 3 spot, not even wildcard.

 

[CTHabsfan]

No he wouldn't. The only players we've gotten better in the first round then Pospisil over the past decade were both top 6 picks. You have a 48% chance or less of getting a player who plays 200 games once you hit pick #21. People are absurd with how they think of late 1sts. Pospisil is very hard to replace. The last guy we had who played like him was drafted 4thOA, is about to win a cup with Florida and he wasn't as good defensively.

If Calgary has only drafted two players in the 1st-round over the past decade who are better than Pospisil, it's due to poor drafting. Pospisil hasn't played 200 NHL games and is one more concussion away from retirement. It's also amusing that you ripped on someone for daring to compare RHP with Pospisil, yet you have no problem with comparing Pospisil with Matthew "I've had two 100 point seasons" Tkachuk.

 

[Double Dion]

If Calgary has only drafted two players in the 1st-round over the past decade who are better than Pospisil, it's due to poor drafting. Pospisil hasn't played 200 NHL games and is one more concussion away from retirement. It's also amusing that you ripped on someone for daring to compare RHP with Pospisil, yet you have no problem with comparing Pospisil with Matthew "I've had two 100 point seasons" Tkachuk.

Oof. Was Tkachuk drafted 4th OA? Might want to do some homework before you get snarky. I was obviously referring to Bennett. Pospisil plays nothing like Tkachuk. He plays like Bennett. RHP isn't even an NHL player for the Flames, he gets caved in by every metric. It's a ridiculous comparison. Pospisil was playing tough competition and winning handily for a team that was bottom third.

 

[Double Dion]

You're literally describing RHP last year though. This year he was injured, fourth line, or scratched most of the year.

Habs would make the finals in the west just like they did last time they played there. Habs are only picking 5th because the Atlantic is better than every other division in hockey by a wide margin. Our former tenth dman scratched during our finals run is playing top 4 minutes on a finals team. Even Buffalo or the Sens would make the playoffs in either west division with a top 3 spot, not even wildcard.

Your #10 defenseman was playing 18 minutes per night? How many defensemen was MTL dressing then? Kulak played the 4th most minutes for the Habs in 3 seasons there. He was Calgary's #8 defenseman before that who we waived. Montreal would get swept by the Oilers and I hate the Oilers with a passion.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Oof. Was Tkachuk drafted 4th OA? Might want to do some homework before you get snarky. I was obviously referring to Bennett. Pospisil plays nothing like Tkachuk. He plays like Bennett. RHP isn't even an NHL player for the Flames, he gets caved in by every metric. It's a ridiculous comparison. Pospisil was playing tough competition and winning handily for a team that was bottom third.

Oh sorry, yes Pospisil is so much like Sam 137 career goals Bennett! Glad you love Pospisil so much because no one is going to give Calgary anything good for a dirty player who has had six concussions.

 

[Double Dion]

Oh sorry, yes Pospisil is so much like Sam 137 career goals Bennett! Glad you love Pospisil so much because no one is going to give Calgary anything good for a dirty player who has had six concussions.

Oof. You're honestly such a bad poster. Bennett is in his 10th season. Pospisil has played part of 1. Do you want to trade us Slafkovsky for Backlund? Heck Backlund has more than 10 times the goals Slafkovsky does.