Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CBJ] Patrik Laine, '26 2nd for Jordan Harris

[Raistlin]

Why do you think he is such a big personality that he can somehow change the course of our young players development and not the other way around?

The only worry would be a locker room distraction if former issues arise. Otherwise he will have to be the one to fall in line. Our chemistry is fully established at this point and if you followed this team you would know that.

Source: Spilled Tea: Radio Interview Details Past Locker Room Issues For Patrik Laine, Blue Jackets

He IS a big personality, he beats to his own drum, like Kane's influence over Meier, or PLD over Peeke. If vets like Foligno, Atkinson, Nyquist, Werenski, Jones etc deem that the star player needs to go, he is having an impact on culture. Now this "fun guy" comes in into a room with Caufield, Slaf etc... do you want to take the risk? What if he decides that the media spotlight is too strong in MTL and he becomes disgruntled again? Can a younger Suzuki keep him in line? Either way, this'll be fun to keep an eye on the next two years.

Maurice/Waddell cannot wait to let him go, you must have to ask why?

 

[CTHabsfan]

Well, with kirby dach, since every single ounce of his production comes from the PP it's pretty significant.

Kirby Dach will still get plenty of power play time, be it PP1 or PP2. He might start the season on the second unit, having missed almost all of the previous season.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Well, with kirby dach, since every single ounce of his production comes from the PP it's pretty significant.

Ah yes his production when he was 21 years old. No chances a 6 foot 4 big body could ever become something because he wasn’t an all-star producing at 5v5 on the worst team in the league at 21

 

[yzerman]

Just give him the opportunity to play Fortnite on that iPad they have on the bench and he will be fine.

 

[dgibb10]

And it's barely a gamble.

He plays well this year? Montreal could resign him at a decent price.

He plays well this year? Montreal could trade him for a very, very good package to continue helping the rebuild.

He plays bad this year? It's just cap space we don't really need yet.

Harris is a decent player. Should have a lengthy NHL career. But he's a small bottom pairing guy playing a position you usually want size. And his ceiling isn't much higher than he already is, maybe a solid #4 in his prime.

It is a 17 million dollar gamble. The gamble is that that money could have been used much better elsewhere, either by signing UFAs, taking on other cap dumps for more than just a 2nd, or buying more term on RFAs.

And again, since, as I've been told a number of times, the goal for MTL is to start competing for the playoffs in 25-26.

Laine pushes MTL into LTIR use, and so because of that may add as much as 10 million dollars to MTLs 25-26 cap.

Ah yes his production when he was 21 years old. No chances a 6 foot 4 big body could ever become something because he wasn’t an all-star producing at 5v5 on the worst team in the league at 21

He played with Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, and Alex Debrincat. Are these some bad linemates?

I just want to make sure I have you on the record as stating Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield is not a good situation to be in, and they are worse than a contenders 3rd line where he'd likely play?

 

[Jaynki]

Source: Spilled Tea: Radio Interview Details Past Locker Room Issues For Patrik Laine, Blue Jackets

He IS a big personality, he beats to his own drum, like Kane's influence over Meier, or PLD over Peeke. If vets like Foligno, Atkinson, Nyquist, Werenski, Jones etc deem that the star player needs to go, he is having an impact on culture. Now this "fun guy" comes in into a room with Caufield, Slaf etc... do you want to take the risk? What if he decides that the media spotlight is too strong in MTL and he becomes disgruntled again? Can a younger Suzuki keep him in line? Either way, this'll be fun to keep an eye on the next two years.

Maurice/Waddell cannot wait to let him go, you must have to ask why?

Yo we don't f***ing care.

Our marker did wonder to personality like Kovalev, Cammalleri and Subban.

It will have the same impact into Laine and we have an incredibly strong leader behind the bench.

Look out for Laine to regain his elite form.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Source: Spilled Tea: Radio Interview Details Past Locker Room Issues For Patrik Laine, Blue Jackets

He IS a big personality, he beats to his own drum, like Kane's influence over Meier, or PLD over Peeke. If vets like Foligno, Atkinson, Nyquist, Werenski, Jones etc deem that the star player needs to go, he is having an impact on culture. Now this "fun guy" comes in into a room with Caufield, Slaf etc... do you want to take the risk? What if he decides that the media spotlight is too strong in MTL and he becomes disgruntled again? Can a younger Suzuki keep him in line? Either way, this'll be fun to keep an eye on the next two years.

Maurice/Waddell cannot wait to let him go, you must have to ask why?

The leadership group is strong enough in Montreal to make him fall in line. If not, MSL is smart enough to make him believe in something greater than himself.

Odd chance that his 6 months into the program made him realize he isn’t the main character and not everything resolve around him. I know he used to act and talk this way. I think the bet here is Habs brass believe a mix of the leadership group and Laine turning a new leaf will be enough to make him fall in line.

 

[Baksfamous112]

He played with Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, and Alex Debrincat. Are these some bad linemates?

I just want to make sure I have you on the record as stating Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield is not a good situation to be in, and they are worse than a contenders 3rd line where he'd likely play?

He played with Suzuki and Caufield to start the year, then got injured and came back to run his own line as the 2C. He was also 19-20 when he played with DeBrincat.

Plenty of example where a big body center took longer to develop. The last we’ve seen of him he had just put yup a 38 points season in 54 games at 21 years old.

Your all-star Bratt had 32 points in 60 games at the same age.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Well, with kirby dach, since every single ounce of his production comes from the PP it's pretty significant.

Huh? Significant how?

I mean, it's significant for Dach's agent. Might be significant for some goof who's got Dach in his hockey pool. But what do we care if Dach gets some extra points on the powerplay?

This move, like any move, is about trying to improve the team, not Dach's personal statistics.

You know you're on a Habs thread when people start overthinking and pretend it's a bad thing when you add players who could potentially earn some powerplay minutes.

 

[dgibb10]

He played with Suzuki and Caufield to start the year, then got injured and came back to run his own line as the 2C. He was also 19-20 when he played with DeBrincat.

Plenty of example where a big body center took longer to develop. The last we’ve seen of him he had just put yup a 38 points season in 54 games at 21 years old.

Your all-star Bratt had 32 points in 60 games at the same age.

Jesper Bratt even strength scoring rates at age 20 and 21 btw

Bratt was a highly effective player waiting for opportunity. Kirby Dach is an ineffective player

 

[Andy]

Jesper Bratt even strength scoring rates at age 20 and 21 btwView attachment 902320

Bratt was a highly effective player waiting for opportunity. Kirby Dach is an ineffective player

Man who probably watches 4 Habs games a year proclaiming Dach ineffective

 

[Whalers Fan]

It is a 17 million dollar gamble. The gamble is that that money could have been used much better elsewhere, either by signing UFAs, taking on other cap dumps for more than just a 2nd, or buying more term on RFAs.

And again, since, as I've been told a number of times, the goal for MTL is to start competing for the playoffs in 25-26.

Laine pushes MTL into LTIR use, and so because of that may add as much as 10 million dollars to MTLs 25-26 cap.


He played with Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, and Alex Debrincat. Are these some bad linemates?

I just want to make sure I have you on the record as stating Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield is not a good situation to be in, and they are worse than a contenders 3rd line where he'd likely play?

After Price's bonus is paid next July, he becomes easy to move if necessary. All but $2M of his actual salary will have been paid going into the final season of his contract. Some team looking to hit the cap floor will take him. Dvorak, Savard, and Armia also are off the books. I doubt the Habs will need to use offseason LTIR before the 2025 season.

As for spending the money elsewhere, most of their young core is already signed, and spending money on UFAs is usually not the best way to rebuild a team.

 

[dgibb10]

Huh? Significant how?

I mean, it's significant for Dach's agent. Might be significant for some goof who's got Dach in his hockey pool. But what do we care if Dach gets some extra points on the powerplay?

This move, like any move, is about trying to improve the team, not Dach's personal statistics.

You know your on a Habs thread when people start overthinking and pretend it's a bad thing when you add players who could potentially earn some powerplay minutes.

Except a habs poster made the claim that it is most important to get young players as much opportunity as possible.

And so I pointed out how this move in fact takes away opportunities.

After Price's bonus is paid next July, he becomes easy to move if necessary. All but $2M of his actual salary will have been paid going into the final season of his contract. Some team looking to hit the cap floor will take him. Dvorak, Savard, and Armia also are off the books. I doubt the Habs will need to use offseason LTIR before the 2025 season.

As for spending the money elsewhere, most of their young core is already signed, and spending money on UFAs is usually not the best way to rebuild a team.

The only team who was looking to use LTIR shams to reach the cap floor is in Utah now and doesn't do that anymore.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Jesper Bratt even strength scoring rates at age 20 and 21 btwView attachment 902320

Bratt was a highly effective player waiting for opportunity. Kirby Dach is an ineffective player

Or he was simply not good enough at the time to take the icetime from someone else on PP1.

Let’s revisit this bolded part at the end of the season

 

[dgibb10]

After Price's bonus is paid next July, he becomes easy to move if necessary. All but $2M of his actual salary will have been paid going into the final season of his contract. Some team looking to hit the cap floor will take him. Dvorak, Savard, and Armia also are off the books. I doubt the Habs will need to use offseason LTIR before the 2025 season.

As for spending the money elsewhere, most of their young core is already signed, and spending money on UFAs is usually not the best way to rebuild a team.

Also, still not how LTIR works.

Price will be on MTL this year, forcing them to use LTIR, preventing them from accruing cap space and causing bonuses to rollover to next year

 

[Baksfamous112]

Except a habs poster made the claim that it is most important to get young players as much opportunity as possible.

And so I pointed out how this move in fact takes away opportunities.


The only team who was looking to use LTIR shams to reach the cap floor is in Utah now and doesn't do that anymore.

But you also said that Montreal PP and PK was their downfall and that they will never be good enough if they don’t fix that. We bring in one of the great PP specialist in the game and you turn around and say it is now taking away the opportunity from someone that you say is ineffective anyway

 

[dgibb10]

But you also said that Montreal PP and PK was their downfall and that they will never be good enough if they don’t fix that. We bring in one of the great PP specialist in the game and you turn around and say it is now taking away the opportunity from someone that you say is ineffective anyway

MTL fan: it is most important for MTLs rebuild to get young players as much opportunity as possible
Me: this move in fact does the opposite of achieving that
Other MTL fans: why are you bringing up opportunity?

Bringing in laine should help the PP. I'm a fan of the move to get laine. It is simply not some genius move, and it definitely isn't no risk like so many here seem to claim on the basis that any mistake a rebuilding team makes doesn't actually matter

 

[Captain97]

MTL fan: it is most important for MTLs rebuild to get young players as much opportunity as possible
Me: this move in fact does the opposite of achieving that
Other MTL fans: why are you bringing up opportunity?

Bringing in laine should help the PP. I'm a fan of the move to get laine. It is simply not some genius move, and it definitely isn't no risk like so many here seem to claim on the basis that any mistake a rebuilding team makes doesn't actually matter

Except Laine is still a relatively young player. He is 26 and only 1 year older than Suzuki.

Adding a 26 year old forward who will score 25 goals in his sleep provided he can stay healthy is a good thing for a team planning to exit its rebuild soon. And the move is virtually 0 risk. The Habs will have almost $20million in cap space next year with Laine.

 

[dgibb10]

Except Laine is still a relatively young player. He is 26 and only 1 year older than Suzuki.

Adding a 26 year old forward who will score 25 goals in his sleep provided he can stay healthy is a good thing for a team planning to exit its rebuild soon. And the move is virtually 0 risk. The Habs will have almost $20million in cap space next year with Laine.

So you'd have 30 million without Laine.

Again, if the claim is that MTL is planning to exit their rebuild with laine still under control, then the possibility of adding a 10 million dollar boat anchor is a significant risk.

 

[Baksfamous112]

MTL fan: it is most important for MTLs rebuild to get young players as much opportunity as possible
Me: this move in fact does the opposite of achieving that
Other MTL fans: why are you bringing up opportunity?

Bringing in laine should help the PP. I'm a fan of the move to get laine. It is simply not some genius move, and it definitely isn't no risk like so many here seem to claim on the basis that any mistake a rebuilding team makes doesn't actually matter

Laine is 26. Suzuki 25. By your standard we should not only have not traded for Laine but also should have traded Suzuki for a future package so he doesn’t hurt the opportunity of a young guy.

No one said this was risk-free but getting paid to take on a guy who’s 26 and already had multiple 30+ goals and 40+ goals season is not exactly the definition of taking a huge risk now is it?

So you'd have 30 million without Laine.

Again, if the claim is that MTL is planning to exit their rebuild with laine still under control, then the possibility of adding a 10 million dollar boat anchor is a significant risk.

No it is not because it doesn’t affect the cap structure and yes Hughes and Gorton have been very clear in their comments that they do expect the team to at least be in the mix this year and compete for a playoff spot.

 

[Captain97]

So you'd have 30 million without Laine.

Again, if the claim is that MTL is planning to exit their rebuild with laine still under control, then the possibility of adding a 10 million dollar boat anchor is a significant risk.

.... that's absurd. The risk is they could have more cap space? With Noone major to sign next year? That's not a risk, the Habs could literally still sign Draisatl next year as a UFA for 14 million dollars and resign all their RFAs + field a full team.

Do you ot grasp the concept of having that much cap space is beyond dumb for one of the richest teams in the league. A 2 year deal is nothing when you have that much room.

 

[dgibb10]

.... that's absurd. The risk is they could have more cap space? With Noone major to sign next year? That's not a risk, the Habs could literally still sign Draisatl next year as a UFA for 14 million dollars and resign all their RFAs + field a full team.

Do you ot grasp the concept of having that much cap space is beyond dumb for one of the richest teams in the league. A 2 year deal is nothing when you have that much room.

There would always be different things you can do with the money.

The risk is that laine is a bad use of money (a significant sum of money), when trying to make the playoffs.

Or of course his noted not so great attitude and work ethic rubs off on other players.

But if you want to make the claim that any move a rebuilding team makes can't be bad because even if it doesn't work out it doesn't actually matter, go ahead.

Like I said, easy to be a "genius" when there's no consequences to a failed move

 

[junyab]

I'm NOT saying Laine is a cancer in the locker room, but many hear arguing that if Laine can disrupt team culture then it wasn't a strong culture in the first place, doesn't fully understand how a locker room cancer works. They don't infect the entire team all at the same time, they infect one, and then they both infect another, and its spreads from there.

And I repeat I don't believe Laine is a locker room cancer, but the risk is there regardless, even if unlikely.

 

[BLONG7]

The leadership group is strong enough in Montreal to make him fall in line. If not, MSL is smart enough to make him believe in something greater than himself.

Odd chance that his 6 months into the program made him realize he isn’t the main character and not everything resolve around him. I know he used to act and talk this way. I think the bet here is Habs brass believe a mix of the leadership group and Laine turning a new leaf will be enough to make him fall in line.

If MSL van motivate this guy, habs are in good shape with their top 6

 

[bud12]

Man a swear,in every habs thread, you know dgibb10 will be there saying bad things about them with his "advance stats" theory.