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Proposal: MTL/ANA

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Ryan Strome (2 years, $5M)

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Patrik Laine @ $3.7M retention (1 year, $8.7M -> $5M)
Conditional pick (based on Laine's goals or games played next year, I haven't really given thought on the details)

Reasoning for Montreal: It's no secret that the Habs are in desperate need for a 2C to become a competitive playoff team. Strome at 31yo is obviously not a long term solution but could be a useful stopgap at the position. His numbers are quite decent on an offensively inept Ducks team (no offense Ducks fans) and he has the required playmaking skill for a top 6 role. The two more years at $5M AAV line up well with the Habs farm making their development to eventually take Strome's spot.

Reasoning for Anaheim: With their young top forwards (Carlsson, McTavish, Gauthier) stepping up this past year Strome could be expendable. The reasoning to acquire Laine in return is quite simple: the Ducks had the worst PP in the league this year, Laine is there to fix that. His contract is also expiring next year so there's not a lot of commitment that needs to made there.

Now obviously there is a risk on Laine as he's been rarely healthy these past few years and his play in Montreal suggested that he might still be suffering from various injuries, which is why I added a conditional pick to be sent to Anaheim as insurance if Laine doesn't work out for them. As you probably figured out, the salary retention is to offset the AAVs so there should be no concern regarding the cap hit for either team.
 
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Strome to Montreal might make sense, Anaheim fans can mention if he might be available.

Laine to anything other than a team bottoming out doesn't make sense. Anaheim is past that stage, AFAIK.
 
IIRC conditional picks are no longer allowed.

Edit: they are allowed in certain situations as other posters have noted below.
 
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Strome is certainly a name that hasn't been mentioned before, so points for being original.

If I were to critique the proposal:

  • Strome being 31 is, I believe, outside the window of what HuGo would be looking for.
  • How likely is he, at 31 - and 32 in July, to revert to his best season with the Rangers?
  • What would the logic be for Anaheim doing this aside from being compensated with some form of conditional pick?
 
tomd said:
IIRC conditional picks are no longer allowed.
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I thought it was only conditional pick for a player re-signing that wasn't allowed. Games played
shello said:
I’m not sure if Anaheim will want to give Strome up, he’s found a nice home there. But as a Habs fan I’d do it
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If the Ducks can get a top 6 forward, Strome might be the odd man out. Killorn has negative value due to contact, Vatrano re-signed, Colangelo is young and promising and could be a good complimentary forward.

That said, I'm not sure this would be a move Verbeek would do before free agency. If he strikes out on all the top free agents and can't get a trade for a better forward he may look at Laine because he's a goal scorer and RHS.
 
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Strome is certainly a name that hasn't been mentioned before, so points for being original.

If I were to critique the proposal:

  • Strome being 31 is, I believe, outside the window of what HuGo would be looking for.
  • How likely is he, at 31 - and 32 in July, to revert to his best season with the Rangers?
  • What would the logic be for Anaheim doing this aside from being compensated with some form of conditional pick?
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The only real upside (and I'm really having to reach here) is that they will have 5 mil in extra cap space next summer when they have to sign the following RFAs:
Leo
Cutter
Zegras
LaCombe
Mintyukov
Zellweger

But they have like 75 mil in capspace going into that summer, so it shouldn't be an issue unless every single one of them break out this year in a big way. In which case we should be able to trade Strome next summer without issue.

There isn't really any upside for the Ducks unless they think are dumb enough to think they can make Laine work after the 3 teams and 6 head coaches had no luck. But if PV had an issue with Zegra's complete game in his second season, he is going to LOVE Laine.
 
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lwvs84 said:
I thought it was only conditional pick for a player re-signing that wasn't allowed. Games played

If the Ducks can get a top 6 forward, Strome might be the odd man out. Killorn has negative value due to contact, Vatrano re-signed, Colangelo is young and promising and could be a good complimentary forward.

That said, I'm not sure this would be a move Verbeek would do before free agency. If he strikes out on all the top free agents and can't get a trade for a better forward he may look at Laine because he's a goal scorer and RHS.
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Correct. You can still have conditions based on player/team performance or where the pick lands.

I know there have been conditions on deadline deals for games played in the playoffs and whatnot.
 
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tomd said:
IIRC conditional picks are no longer allowed.
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You can do conditional criteria on individual or team performance.

Common conditional pick-' like the 2nd Boston got for Marchand.... iif he plays enough and team advances to conf finals/ cup finals/ wins cup can trigger changes in the pick

You can't do iconditionals around them being re-signrd as a UFA. You can DO IT AS AN RFA/Unsigned player
 
Decent offer, I'd keep that in my booklet. Wouldn't jump on it, but it's definitely decent enough to at least replace Dvorak on our squad.

Not sure why Ducks go after Laine to fix their PP though. I'm skeptical there aren't any better, less costly and more durable ways of achieving it.
 
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shello said:
I’m not sure if Anaheim will want to give Strome up, he’s found a nice home there. But as a Habs fan I’d do it
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I think for Anaheim, Strome is part of the leadership group.... and right now really our only 3c option (i suppose we could move Z down, but thats a different conversation)

I think the value is okay, tho i dont think Laine is the type of player we want to add to our top 6/9... he is a big shot on PP but i expect PV to go hunting in FA/Trades for something a little more well rounded.
 
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vokiel said:
Decent offer, I'd keep that in my booklet. Wouldn't jump on it, but it's definitely decent enough to at least replace Dvorak on our squad.

Not sure why Ducks go after Laine to fix their PP though. I'm skeptical there aren't any better, less costly and more durable ways of achieving it.
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Dead on, on the 2nd part.

I just dont think Laine is a guy PV would even entertain..... While i wouldnt be shocked to see us move strome... it does leave us with a hole at 3c. Maybe if we found a 3c, and struck out looking for a top6/9 winger to help PP... this would be a fall back plan. But laine doesnt really play a winning style of hockey, and while helping the PP would help us win more games, i dont think the laine makes us a better team over strome outside of the PP.
 
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I'd be ok with moving on/upgrading from Strome although he seems to provide a solid vet presence/leadership. However I don't think having Laine & his assorted issues would be a really good idea to have around all the developing young players.

So thanks for not making this a Z for pocket change thread, but no thanks to an otherwise interesting proposal.
 
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I think for Anaheim, Strome is part of the leadership group....
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From what I understand, he is not just part of the leadership group, he's THE primary guy in the locker room among the forwards, and has the pulse of both the veterans and the young players.

He is also a model of replacement level mediocre offensive consistency ... precisely 41 points for 3 consecutive years. That's got to be some sort of odd statistical first.

I think they likely value him more than his raw production would suggest.
 
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BLNY said:
Strome is certainly a name that hasn't been mentioned before, so points for being original.

If I were to critique the proposal:

  • Strome being 31 is, I believe, outside the window of what HuGo would be looking for.
  • How likely is he, at 31 - and 32 in July, to revert to his best season with the Rangers?
  • What would the logic be for Anaheim doing this aside from being compensated with some form of conditional pick?
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Thanks. Like I said, Strome would not be a long term solution, so if Hughes is on the market to acquire a player that could fill that, then Strome is obviously not the target. But at the very least he should be able to replace Dvorak which is still valuable as we're really thin at centre. His scoring isn't what it used to be with Panarin but I don't see a big dropoff yet in his numbers considering the cast in Anaheim. The last question has been answered to in the comments already: Laine gives them the RH sniper they're lacking, at least for next year, and the expiring contract opens up room for re-signing the kids next summer.
 
vokiel said:
Decent offer, I'd keep that in my booklet. Wouldn't jump on it, but it's definitely decent enough to at least replace Dvorak on our squad.

Not sure why Ducks go after Laine to fix their PP though. I'm skeptical there aren't any better, less costly and more durable ways of achieving it.
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I don't think there are better options, at least when it comes to performance. Laine had 15 PPG in 52 games, 2 behind Guentzel in 28 less games. Ovie had 15 in 65, and M. Tkachuk had 11 in 52 as well. Granted that was with Hutson putting it right on his tape, and I'm not sure that ANA has a player that can do that as frequently and efficiently as Lane. He is elite when it comes to PP production and finding the back of the net. Say what you want about him, his shot has never been an issue. I would absolutely concur on the less costly and more durable points, however.

I dunno, are the Ducks a PP shooter away from contending for the playoffs? If not, then why wouldn't they just trade Strome for future assets if they were set on trading him? I don't think it really addresses anything for them (unless their aim is to hope he puts in a healthy season and they can flip him for assets at the TDL).
 
As a Ducks fan yes please. But if you're expecting Strome to be a 2C be prepared for massive disappointment. He's not a good center much less a guy you can count on in that spot. He doesn't win faceoffs. He floats. He takes stupid penalties. He can't hit an empty net even though the puck seemingly always ends up on his stick in those situations.

Honestly you could have him for a 7th with no retention.
 
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I don't think there are better options, at least when it comes to performance. Laine had 15 PPG in 52 games, 2 behind Guentzel in 28 less games. Ovie had 15 in 65, and M. Tkachuk had 11 in 52 as well. Granted that was with Hutson putting it right on his tape, and I'm not sure that ANA has a player that can do that as frequently and efficiently as Lane. He is elite when it comes to PP production and finding the back of the net. Say what you want about him, his shot has never been an issue. I would absolutely concur on the less costly and more durable points, however.

I dunno, are the Ducks a PP shooter away from contending for the playoffs? If not, then why wouldn't they just trade Strome for future assets if they were set on trading him? I don't think it really addresses anything for them (unless their aim is to hope he puts in a healthy season and they can flip him for assets at the TDL).
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Maybe not better options, but there are for sure options that can help the power play, while not being a negative at 5 v 5.

i think a lot of our pp issues had to do with coaching/systems. We have a lot of talent for the powerplay. Guys like McTavish/Cutter can rip it, colangelo showed he can be a net front presence.

But when i watched our powerplay (in comparison to someone like montreal), montreal moved around a lot more, they got the defense moving.
 
KaseMeOutside said:
Is Laine really this devalued now?
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Yes. His weak 5 on 5 play, overall lack of speed, hustle, effort and backchecking, has annoyed a lot of Habs fans, and management is in damage control mode with him.
His weak play contributed to the Habs OT playoff loss, too.

When he is doing anything, literally anything, other than shooting on the PP, he's a liability.
 
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