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So predictable he was on the ice for the last goal and now people will act like he is garbage. People only remember the last thing they saw
Agreed. The Rover position was eliminated by the NHL in 1911. Kaberle and Rielly would have been all stars in the 1800’s.I think management needs to figure out what a lot of Leafs Nation has been seeing for some time.
As a defense man, Rielly is lacking the size to punish opposing forwards. As a 'rover', he has good speed and mobility. His ability to join the rush and provide a target for a pass and wrist shot on net can be supreme. That also increases the opposing team's chances of an odd man rush on a bad turn over.
Rielly really lacks any type of a heavy shot from the point. His point shot is not respected around the league at all. His muffin shots from the point rarely get through as they are easily blocked.
Rielly makes a great #3 D on a highly competitive team. He alone can't make a team a Stanley Cup champion.
It just might be time to trade him in a package for a more complete, and true, number 1 D-man !!!
JMHO.
What ? I have been critical of his play for years. He’s terrible defensively and a poor PP quarterback. That’s nothing new.So predictable he was on the ice for the last goal and now people will act like he is garbage. People only remember the last thing they saw
I’m not holding my breath.It’s proof that sometimes players learn basic skills at 30, maybe next year Rielly comes into camp with a tier 1 clapper
Dubas should have traded him after his 20 goal season.I agree with your assessment. I’m just over the overvaluing of Morgan because he is/was a sentimental favorite and such a long time Leaf. In the harsh light of day, I see a lot of flaws in the player.
Bang on.My problem with all this is the excuses are so plentiful, the blame so diffuse, the circumstances so extenuating that by the time you get past all the individual evaluations, it’s suddenly no one’s fault. And in that blameless, stats sheet kind of way Rielly floats in that slipstream between accountability and completely off the hook. It’s kind of not his fault. He could be better. He looked so distraught. He’s here for life with job security champions can only dream of.
I don’t think he’s a bad guy. Of course he’s not. I don’t it’s all his fault. He’s had some positive moments over the years. But the whole relationship is so complacent. And I think we’ve seen the best of him. And it’s never been good enough.
On some teams maybe 4th given his defensive deficiencies.The problem is he’s the best defenceman when he should be the 2nd or 3rd best defenceman on a cup contending team
So lets not make excuses but lets look at what has worked.
Taking away the teams special teams woes (which may or not be corrected with a coaching change), Here are Riellys ES numbers and his ranking among all 82 dmen with 20+ games the last 4 seasons (per quant):
Goals per 60: .639 (2nd out of 82)
Points per 60: 1.827 (3rd out of 82)
Marry this with his +41 and the fact his team wasnt exactly a high scoring threat and you can a legit conversation of whether or not Morgan Rielly has been the best ES dman in the playoffs over the last 4 seasons. Statistically, he's up there with guys like Makar and Slavin for sure.
Seeing as the PP isnt all on him, I think he's on a pretty damn good contract too.
If you just want to go by this years team, only 8 Leafs had both 50%+ xGF% and a 50%+ goal differential:
Rielly
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Nylander
Lyubushkin
McCabe
These guys rocked both positive analytics and outcomes.
Putting aside Brodie and Gregor who played limited minutes, 3 Leafs were not on the ice for a goal scored for the team the entire 7 game stretch:
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Holmberg
3 Leafs on the list of only 10 players in the entire league (239 players, min 50 minutes played) that it was the case for. Thats not good. Jarnkrok at least has the fact he was banged up much of the 2nd half but those other 2 are probably dead men walking. A goal or two here and there and the Leafs win that close series.
...or maybe grab a guy like Saros (who was available back in Feb.) and everything changes. Robertson + Holmberg + 1st + prospect as a rental would have probably got it done. If I was GM, he'd be a Leaf right now but the Leafs thought Samsonov was the better option I guess.
Based on what metric or comparable?Rielly is ok
Overpaid a bit
He struggled all year.So predictable he was on the ice for the last goal and now people will act like he is garbage. People only remember the last thing they saw
That's just supporting your teammates.Rielly tells us he wants to see the core kept together.
He struggled all year.
the lazy play in OT
Morgan Rielly
Defense
Born Mar 9 1994 -- Vancouver, BC
Height 6.01 -- Weight 225 -- Shoots L
Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 1 #5 overall 2012 NHL Entry Draft
--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2010-11 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 65 6 22 28 21 6 0 6 6 0
2011-12 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 18 3 15 18 2 5 0 3 3 0
2012-13 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 60 12 42 54 19 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 14 1 2 3 0 8 1 0 1 0
2013-14 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 73 2 25 27 12 -- -- -- -- --
2014-15 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 81 8 21 29 14 -- -- -- -- --
2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 9 27 36 28 -- -- -- -- --
2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 76 6 21 27 21 6 1 4 5 2
2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 76 6 46 52 14 7 0 5 5 4
2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 20 52 72 14 7 1 4 5 0
2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 47 3 24 27 24 5 1 0 1 2
2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 55 5 30 35 14 7 1 2 3 0
2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 10 58 68 40 7 3 3 6 17
2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 65 4 37 41 21 11 4 8 12 6
2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 72 7 51 58 27
2023-24p Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 7 0 3 3 0
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NHL Totals 791 80 392 472 229 50 11 26 37 31
Current statistics as of 2024-05-14
That is true. It doesnt matter no one is trading for him where we win the deal.Once Brodie was moved off and even someone as bad as Lybushkin took his spot he was instantly better..
Just another player who's game goes south when he finds the "one". Kadri, Marner, Rielly.He looks like he needs to shed some weight, he seemed slower this year and his skating was nowhere near his best. Still would like him traded with a different element in his place.
The Vladdy effectHe looks like he needs to shed some weight, he seemed slower this year and his skating was nowhere near his best. Still would like him traded with a different element in his place.
He and Mitch are ideally suited for da rover position which was eliminated from da game .. neither can handle da responsibilities of positions they line up in .. i think we are better off as a TEAM without both of them .. we can never play playoff hockey with their games .. and JT is just too slow to play C in playoffs .. 3 guys who make a ton of CAP with lots of playoff issues .. no TEAM can withstand itAgreed. The Rover position was eliminated by the NHL in 1911. Kaberle and Rielly would have been all stars in the 1800’s.
If you've ever been/are married, you get "worn out" by those first few years of bliss. Then....Just another player who's game goes south when he finds the "one". Kadri, Marner, Rielly.
I'm not comparing Trouba now to Trouba from a few years ago. I'm comparing Trouba to Reilly...I'll still take TroubaLol @ Trouba. He's been largely a disappointment and Rangers fans want to move off his deal in an ideal world. You guys complain that Rielly didn't produce enough yet Trouba barely produces for even more money and isn't even that good defensively, he's still living off the reputation of his career year in Winnipeg. Werenski isn't worth 2 mil more at all either.
I would stop saying we were goalied if we had a goalie.
Hell, try this thought experiment:
The Leafs have been a top 10 team the last 4 years. We have rolled with Campbellx2 and Samsonovx2.
Can you name a worse starter on the 36 other teams than the goalies the Leafs have rolled with the last 4 years?
The fact that is even a hard question should tell us everything.
I'ts easy to get goalied (especially in the goalie rich Atlantic over that stretch) when your goalies are barely NHLers.
Rielly is better than Trouba. Trouba is the most overrated D in the NHL and that contract sucks. It just doesn't get as much attention because they have Adam Fox.I'm not comparing Trouba now to Trouba from a few years ago. I'm comparing Trouba to Reilly...I'll still take Trouba
Well, I am not high on Skinner & Pickard is starting tonight
Arturs Silovs has handled the reigns fairly well for Vancouver too.
Stop right there.Even the folks who try to amplify the Avs team as somehow doing it with supposedly "bad" goaltending dont take into account former All-star and WC gold medalist Kuemper is light years better than any starter weve had the last 4 seasons.
It's never the Core Fore's fault. Come on man!Stop right there.
Colorado is far ahead of us and has accomplished much more because their core shows up big in the playoffs and ours doesn't. It is absolutely not goaltending that's the difference, go look at Colorado's stars production in the postseason then go look at ours, it's chasms apart.
Goaltending is a minor footnote in the massive difference between us and Colorado.
Stop right there.
Colorado is far ahead of us and has accomplished much more because their core shows up big in the playoffs and ours doesn't. It is absolutely not goaltending that's the difference, go look at Colorado's stars production in the postseason then go look at ours, it's chasms apart.
Goaltending is a minor footnote in the massive difference between us and Colorado.