Rumor: - Morgan Rielly (will agree to waive NMC) to SJ | Page 25 | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League

Rumor: Morgan Rielly (will agree to waive NMC) to SJ

  • If you are having issues logging in, we have found opening the log in page in a new tab/window rather than using the pop out should resolve these issues. We are working to get this resolved and thank you for patience.
Because of limited availability.
There is no limited availability of bad NHL contracts. Stop thinking about players and start thinking about contracts. This is a bad contract. Don't offer value for a bad contract. This is the entire point of Money Ball and why ever pro team now has such robust analytics departments working with the GM.

The winner of the trade is Toronto in 100% of the cases because they dump a bad contract on someone else and free up cap space to spend it more intelligently on their own roster.
 
There is no limited availability of bad NHL contracts. Stop thinking about players and start thinking about contracts. This is a bad contract. Don't offer value for a bad contract. This is the entire point of Money Ball and why ever pro team now has such robust analytics departments working with the GM.

The winner of the trade is Toronto in 100% of the cases because they dump a bad contract on someone else and free up cap space to spend it more intelligently on their own roster.

It was a bad contract last year, but is it a bad contract for the next 4 years?

$7.5m AAV sounds pretty middling going forward, it’s no longer 70% of McDavid level money. It’s going to be more like 40% for the rest of reilly’s contract.

$7.5m is the new $4.5m contract
 
Don’t do it Grier .. don’t handcuff yourself with this. I know fans will say cap going up bla bla bla.. but ideas like this are what screws up cap space in a year or 2 when SJ is pushing to be a contender but have a couple brutal contracts.

Just go get mentored by Kent Hughes in Montreal how to not do stupid signings/trades
 
  • Like
Reactions: themelkman
There is no limited availability of bad NHL contracts. Stop thinking about players and start thinking about contracts. This is a bad contract. Don't offer value for a bad contract. This is the entire point of Money Ball and why ever pro team now has such robust analytics departments working with the GM.

The winner of the trade is Toronto in 100% of the cases because they dump a bad contract on someone else and free up cap space to spend it more intelligently on their own roster.
For the Sharks there might be a limited availability of veteran defensemen that can do something on their blue line of worth. Rielly is still productive enough to consider playing with Celebrini. They might not get anyone else on the market.
 
Still deflecting Orca ? Quote the original post and if I misspoke Ill admit it but I'd like for you to answer a single question, which top 4 ufa d will be available for under 7.5 and under 4 years term because you've waffled and avoided the subject entirely because you likely know its an idea exchange you cant win.
A few things.
Why does it have to be under 7.5 and under 4 years?
Rielly is a 3rd pairing Dman on a good team, so a team may choose more money or more term for a competent 2nd pairing Dman.
I’m a Blackhawk fan 2-3 years from now it will be the Sharks, Ducks, Wild and Hawks ruling the west. So I hope they trade for Rielly but I don’t see why.
 
A few things.
Why does it have to be under 7.5 and under 4 years?
Rielly is a 3rd pairing Dman on a good team, so a team may choose more money or more term for a competent 2nd pairing Dman.
I’m a Blackhawk fan 2-3 years from now it will be the Sharks, Ducks, Wild and Hawks ruling the west. So I hope they trade for Rielly but I don’t see why.
But as we know the choices are very limited right now for defencemen available. We know Rielly, Nurse and Hamilton are available and all fall into the same category. A team like the Sharks is actually worried about hitting the cap floor for the next 2 to 3 years so a player that can still play and have them make the floor over a player in free agency who will want longer term at similar moneyRielly goes from a NMC to a modified NTC in two years right about the same time the Sharks will be handing out big contracts to all their young players. We know they tried to get Hamilton last year and Hamilton refused to go. That leaves Nurse and Rielly. Rielly has a good reputaton in the locker room so I can see the fit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CupfortheSharks
A few things.
Why does it have to be under 7.5 and under 4 years?
Rielly is a 3rd pairing Dman on a good team, so a team may choose more money or more term for a competent 2nd pairing Dman.
I’m a Blackhawk fan 2-3 years from now it will be the Sharks, Ducks, Wild and Hawks ruling the west. So I hope they trade for Rielly but I don’t see why.
1781009321343.png
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kurtz
Almost very Leaf looked awful last year, many well below what they're capable of. Reilly then is very much a buy low candidate, just the 4 year term makes it risky if he doesn't bounce back.

Someone will bite though and the Leafs will get something in return. Simply no point in Chayka moving him right now otherwise - sending him away for no return just creates another spot to fill on a roster that has a lot of spots that need filling. A draft pick coming back can at least be flipped for a roster player.
 
But as we know the choices are very limited right now for defencemen available. We know Rielly, Nurse and Hamilton are available and all fall into the same category. A team like the Sharks is actually worried about hitting the cap floor for the next 2 to 3 years so a player that can still play and have them make the floor over a player in free agency who will want longer term at similar moneyRielly goes from a NMC to a modified NTC in two years right about the same time the Sharks will be handing out big contracts to all their young players. We know they tried to get Hamilton last year and Hamilton refused to go. That leaves Nurse and Rielly. Rielly has a good reputaton in the locker room so I can see the fit.
The Sharks aren't actually worried about hitting the floor. They have 13.5 mil to spend to do that this offseason and next season is when Celebrini and Smith's extensions will kick in. They're going to be fine on that front. They just want someone that can fit what they're doing. They could use someone that knows how to run a PP1 and eat some heavy minutes while their younger defensemen develop. Rielly seems like the most likely candidate since it sounded like he's willing to waive for SJ and the other two have either already declined or allegedly did so.
 
The Sharks aren't actually worried about hitting the floor. They have 13.5 mil to spend to do that this offseason and next season is when Celebrini and Smith's extensions will kick in. They're going to be fine on that front. They just want someone that can fit what they're doing. They could use someone that knows how to run a PP1 and eat some heavy minutes while their younger defensemen develop. Rielly seems like the most likely candidate since it sounded like he's willing to waive for SJ and the other two have either already declined or allegedly did so.
But they are worried about hitting the floor with 11 forwards, 4 d and both goalies already signed and still needing about 16 million so they can make trades during the season as needed. Next year they will need 36 million on top of the 13.5 million to hit the floor. So having a guy like Rielly who can fit what they want and having a 7.5 cap for a couple years makes more sense than paying a UFA for 5 to 7 years.
 
But they are worried about hitting the floor with 11 forwards, 4 d and both goalies already signed and still needing about 16 million so they can make trades during the season as needed. Next year they will need 36 million on top of the 13.5 million to hit the floor. So having a guy like Rielly who can fit what they want and having a 7.5 cap for a couple years makes more sense than paying a UFA for 5 to 7 years.
But they're not. They will be carrying a bonus charge next season that is at least going to be 3 million because their potential payout will exceed the bonus overage percentage. They will also be re-signing Graf and Mukhamadullin. That could be in the neighborhood of 5 mil. Most answers to fill the gaps on the blue line and the additional forward or two will also help clear the floor rather easily. They do not need to add 7.5 mil for four years unless that player is a fit. I think Grier likely believes that Rielly is a fit and might move for him but they absolutely do not need him to hit the floor. There are countless solutions to what is barely an issue. Beyond next year, they're paying Celebrini something north of 15 million. They will probably also pay Smith something near 10. If Askarov takes a noticeably positive step next season, he will see a substantial pay increase as well. They are not concerned about the floor when just naturally addressing roster issues with proper fits will do the job.
 
Your persecution complex has made you paranoid.

Rielly is beyond cooked and that was plain to see in the World Championships. He’s not NHL caliber. The Leafs would have to pay to get rid of him.
He was about 18 minutes a game and led the teams defenceman with just about 23 minutes in the Bronze medal game.
 
Last edited:
That's who baked it into them. Look at Carolina and Colorado. Burns is gone from Carolina so now they could win the cup and Burns sunk Colorado this playoffs. Where will the shark playoff jinx go next.
Pretty hilarious considering all of them made it further than any of the Leafs' core except Marner, and it took him selling his soul to Satan by going to Vegas.

Also by the time they had gone to TOR they were already basically cooked. Thornton was what, 40? Marleau the same? Burns was 40 this year as well; he should've never been relied on as a top-4 option at this point anyway.
 
  • Like
Reactions: coooldude
Nurse and Reilly were basically auditioning to see how they would do with a different team in the WC and they totally blew it lol

The leafs are in dire need of puck moving defensemen.....and Like EVERY leaf fan is clamoring , in fact begging, to trade Reilly and talk about how cooked he is and his visible decline, age and term....and then they come on to the trade section and talk about how his value is higher than other fans are offering:laugh:.

Not true, I for one would like to see how he plays under a new coach.

I think last season he got in a funk and was overplayed / fed the wrong minutes and never came out. He isn't a #1Dman, probably never was, but was played like one. He also didn't seem to have the same speed last season, or hasn't for a bit and it got exposed last season.
 


Given the Faulk trade I think a fair package from the Sharks would be Edmonton's 2026 1st (20th overall), Colorado's 2026 2nd (64th overall) and Luca Cagnoni.

Rielly is a year younger, signed for 3 additional seasons and has more control with a NMC rather than M-NTC. Not sure how that will affect the return.

Take out the Edmonton 1st and its closer.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Ad

Ad