Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'd wait until next season to see how Frost and Farabee are playing. The rest of this year is a wright-off for them, the same way I was willing to give Drysdale a mulligan on his poor play until all last season and started judging him based on his play this season.

Frost has to remember how to play real NHL hockey after years in this skill-crushing shithole. We've had numerous players leave and talk about how they basically have to rehabilitate their game after being here.

Farabee too, on top of rehabbing the neck. That surgery takes over a year to recover from.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

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You were saying?

 

[Curufinwe]

I agree.

I mean, I'm not sure if using Torts as a philosophical guide on talent is the right approach, but he's definitely more right than wrong.

The players he's clashed with rarely go on to be sudden impact players afterwards.

Zuccarello became a great offensive player as soon as NY got rid of Torts.

 

[thedjpd]

Zuccarello became a great offensive player as soon as NY got rid of Torts.

I guess? He has one season of PPG+. The rest are good seasons, but doubt I’d call it great. Regardless, there is no such thing as being 100% right all the time. To expect as much is folly, even if we do acquiesce that Zuccarello is a great offensive player.

 

[VladDrag]

I guess? He has one season of PPG+. The rest are good seasons, but doubt I’d call it great. Regardless, there is no such thing as being 100% right all the time. To expect as much is folly, even if we do acquiesce that Zuccarello is a great offensive player.

You can add William Karlsson, Artemi Panarin, and to a lesser degree Oliver Bjorkstrand, who had good seasons under Torts, but were better offensive players away from him, as players who were better away from Torts than under him.

There are other ones, Ryan Johansen and Artem Anisimov for example, but I don't know how fair those comparisons are.

The point being, Torts has a history of under valuing the non-physical offensively orientated forward, and in general offensive play.

 

[renberg]

You can add William Karlsson, Artemi Panarin, and to a lesser degree Oliver Bjorkstrand, who had good seasons under Torts, but was a better offensive player away from him, as players who were better away from Torts than under him.

There are other ones, Ryan Johansen and Artem Anisimov for example, but I don't know how fair those comparisons are.

The point being, Torts has a history of under appreciating the non-physical offensively orientated forward.

Torts is like many people who were never skilled in the sport that they coach. They really don’t understand how ultra talented people play the game. These people just see the game in front of them and instinctively know what to do in order to make things happen. Torts types need to have a system in mind and a list of what to do/not do when they play the game. Good coaches know to put the McDavids out on the ice with the teammates that can keep up with them and get out of the way. They don’t need to be coached into playing the “right way” because they know what to do often before it even happens. Usually the Tortorella types just get in these players way.

 

[VladDrag]

Torts is like many people who were never skilled in the sport that they coach. They really don’t understand how ultra talented people play the game. These people just see the game in front of them and instinctively know what to do in order to make things happen. Torts types need to have a system in mind and a list of what to do/not do when they play the game. Good coaches know to put the McDavids out on the ice with the teammates that can keep up with them and get out of the way. They don’t need to be coached into playing the “right way” because they know what to do often before it even happens. Usually the Tortorella types just get in these players way.

I think Torts is a beak even coach. His methods produce 3-5 more wins simply due to hard work -- that's a real thing. But they also loose that many as well due to his personnel decisions. 2D in OT, carrying 7D man, playing Delo over Lycksell (no one can convince me that Torts isn't the main reason that's happening), playing Cates with your top offensive wingers (TK and Farabee in 22/23).

Prioritizing positioning and structure limits creativity. Both are needed.

 

[ybnvs]

playing Delo over Lycksell (no one can convince me that Torts isn't the main reason that's happening),

Briere did no favors to this team by having Deslaurier, Johnson, and Kolosov needlessly hijacking and blocking 3 of 23 available roster slots all damn season long.

f***.

 

[Curufinwe]

Zuccarello led the Rangers in scoring the first season after Torts left, and that was his first full season in the NHL. PPG is a very arbitrary standard considering how low scoring the league used to be.

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[FLYguy3911]

Sedins too on the downsides of their career.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Briere did no favors to this team by having Deslaurier, Johnson, and Kolosov needlessly hijacking and blocking 3 of 23 available roster slots all damn season long.

f***.

Kolosov especially. no reason he isn't getting game time in the AHL

 

[Curufinwe]

The Kolosov situation is crazy. He's only made 20 starts in the AHL/NHL this season, and he's been bad. But they are paying him not to play and using a roster spot that could go to Lycksell or Andrae.

 

[outlet]

The Kolosov situation is crazy. He's only made 20 starts in the AHL/NHL this season, and he's been bad. But they are paying him not to play and using a roster spot that could go to Lycksell or Andrae.

They are letting the inmate run the asylum. There is no justification for Kolosov to not be in the AHL getting most of the starts.

Flyers have completely botched his development this year. It is criminal really.

 

[FLYguy3911]

No waiver claims either. They just trade for those.