Sweeney and Neely consultant him.
They ask his opinion, and give it some weight.
My understanding is that's about it.
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Management 20 years ago Charlie Jacobs saved the Bruins - Can he do it again?
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They ask his opinion, and give it some weight.
My understanding is that's about it.
Trizz617
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The indifference and those empty yellow seats should ring a bell....
I think both will be around for a team that can legitimately contend.
Having said that, I would trade either. Depends on the return, as always.
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Let me ask a different question.
In order, what are the five most difficult on ice pieces of a hockey team to acquire?
Example: #1 goalie, #1 playmaking center, Norris Trophy caliber defenseman, Rocket Richard scoring winger, # 2 center, solid # 2 defenseman, etc.
In order, what are the five most difficult on ice pieces of a hockey team to acquire?
Example: #1 goalie, #1 playmaking center, Norris Trophy caliber defenseman, Rocket Richard scoring winger, # 2 center, solid # 2 defenseman, etc.
They still do? I know that was the case a few years ago, but not sure now with Harry's age and JJ basically out of sight. Could be.
I'd say Norris-caliber defenseman followed by #1C playmaking center. I guess you could swap the two. Then would be the Pasta-type wing. They are all difficult to acquire, whichever order you put them in. The rest of the club, can go in any order. I suppose a #1 goalie and #2C would be next in line, order varying.
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Cam's been team president the same number of years as Harry was Bruins GM when he made the Pederson-Neely deal, I think.
I'm not sure he's routinely calling some Florida remnant and interrupting their pudding time for tips on how to make it in the NHL.
I'm not sure he's routinely calling some Florida remnant and interrupting their pudding time for tips on how to make it in the NHL.
Perhaps not. I know that Bobby and some of the other old guys go and visit him down there in florida.
northeastern
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I'm in my mid 30s. I was raised a bruins fan by my mom and taught to hate the Jacob's name, because back then they were cheap, shit owners. It changed, but I remember going to games as a kid and having the entire row to just me and my mom. Today the Jacobs in my opinion are good owners, spend to the cap, fire coaches, don't get involved.
When they bottomed out, we finally saw the light, in walks Chara and Savard (i bought a savard 71 jersey i was so excited and then he changed it to 91...)
I got seasons in 2010 a year before the waiting list started. It's been an absolute dream since for the most part, but I worry how hard we might need to fall before we see real change. My tickets are going up next year and yet I couldn't give away last nights game as I was stuck working...
I hope we see some quick, decisive moves. I hope a retool can save this roster and we don't have a 5 year dive. I get we have to pay the piper, they've been buyers for so long, and unfortunately we only got 1 cup from all that, but they need to regroup and think differently, especially this year. In not confident that the current leadership can do that.
When they bottomed out, we finally saw the light, in walks Chara and Savard (i bought a savard 71 jersey i was so excited and then he changed it to 91...)
I got seasons in 2010 a year before the waiting list started. It's been an absolute dream since for the most part, but I worry how hard we might need to fall before we see real change. My tickets are going up next year and yet I couldn't give away last nights game as I was stuck working...
I hope we see some quick, decisive moves. I hope a retool can save this roster and we don't have a 5 year dive. I get we have to pay the piper, they've been buyers for so long, and unfortunately we only got 1 cup from all that, but they need to regroup and think differently, especially this year. In not confident that the current leadership can do that.
Ask the players (on the QT, of course) about the quality, or lack thereof, of the Garden ice.
Brad has had to skate
on inferior home ice much of his career.Hmm.
I wonder why.
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I actually believe that Sweeney has become a very competent GM, and is capable of conducting a successful retool.
There is no reason at all to burn the house
to the ground. Do I wish someone from outside the organization had the keys?
You bet your ass I do.
"But let's stick to obtainable goals."
TheReal13Linseman
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I thought you were going to preface that by saying, “Let me make this perfectly clear”, but loved the quote nonetheless
I wish I could hear Donny say, “Just think of what you’ll be missing, gentlemen: you won’t have Don Sweeney to kick around anymore”. But that would only mean he would actually come back years later. So, maybe not.
Good for you.I thought you were going to preface that by saying, “Let me make this perfectly clear”, but loved the quote nonetheless
I wish I could hear Donny say, “Just think of what you’ll be missing, gentlemen: you won’t have Don Sweeney to kick around anymore”. But that would only mean he would actually come back years later. So, maybe not.
You know your Nixonia.
Should start by bringing in some of the amateur scouts from Dallas and Detroit.
Yes.
But c'mon with this Harry Sinden stuff. Do you really think Sinden has any material impact on this team? That's internet conspiracy stuff. I mean, prove it. Not to mention the Bruins won a Cup in 2011, went to Game 6 in the Cup round in 2013, and Game 7 in 2019. The problem with the 2025 team is not Harry Sinden. He's not sending messages to Sweeney with carrier pigeons.
Also, the Bruins brought in outsider Chiarelli and that worked out fine. We really don't need to talk about potential future management changes as if they are somehow limited in choosing an inside or outside person and where Sinden is somehow steering that. Maybe they ask him what he thinks during the process, that's probably about it.
I'd say the main impediment to Charlie moving on from Cam and Donnie is that he's afraid Cam would put his head through a wall. I'm half kidding about that. But clearly it's time to at least consider a change and it would be irresponsible to not open up the search to anybody out there in the hockey world, anywhere, who is credible to be the new management leader(s). In reality, the insularity probably comes down to comfort and familiarity, i.e., the person who is "part of the Bruins family" is a more convenient choice. They need to not default to that next time.
Related: Is it just me or has the trend of hiring former star players to serve as President and/or GM (around the league) largely run it's course? There have been a lot of examples now of former star players from the 80's and 90's who were brought in to turn things around... and fell on their face in the end. There have been a few success stories but far more failures. Which makes me resistant to the idea of handing the keys to Bourque or Chara, the names we sometimes hear suggested. Let's get a bonafide hockey management person with a strong track record. That may be a necessary antecedent to getting on a path to put more emphasis on speed, skill, etc. Being a "Bruins type of player" should be an ingredient of the team, not a requirement for every player.
Maybe? Yzerman is still working, Sakic, Verbeek, Rob Blake, Francis, are GMS along with guys that probably come a bit short of star but were well known: Grier, Briere, Drury.
And... host are most really doing? Sakic I think has been pretty good (but has a GM). Yzerman has big rep but that Detroit rebuild is sure plodding. Others, not super high on. Grier may be okay, we'll see in a couple years. Staios I wonder about, K Adams seems terrible, Drury may be in over his head in NYC, etc. Tom Fitzgerald in NJ is a good counterpoint, I think he's doing a good job.
It may well be the case that there aren't enough better options out there to fill up the C suites for 32 NHL teams. But management ranks sure seem stocked with some dubious characters these days.
Flipping this around, who would people say are the top 5 Pres/GMs in the league right now? After GM Donnie I mean.
Zito, Brisebois, Nill, McCrimmon, maybe Tulsky (still kind of early, but he has a wagon there), ?That seem like a fair list to you?
Pretty good list IMO.
I'm not completely sure about Brisebois. He has done a good job extending the window in Tampa since Yzerman departed and he has made some good moves. But good Lord he has shipped out a lot of draft picks and there's plenty of roster churn. He gets the benefit of the doubt because the Bolts remain a top team and it's been a long run so I won't complain about him on your list.
Fitzgerald and the Montreal braintrust possibly compete to be on the 5 list.
I'm not completely sure about Brisebois. He has done a good job extending the window in Tampa since Yzerman departed and he has made some good moves. But good Lord he has shipped out a lot of draft picks and there's plenty of roster churn. He gets the benefit of the doubt because the Bolts remain a top team and it's been a long run so I won't complain about him on your list.
Fitzgerald and the Montreal braintrust possibly compete to be on the 5 list.
Excellent post. Thank you.
I would only add that there are a few examples of successful former players managing in the game today.
Arguably: Jim Rutherford. Steve Yzerman. Bill Guerin. Ron Francis. Pat Verbeek. Rob Blake. Tom Fitzgerald. Chris Drury. Danny Briere. Mike Grier. Craig Conway.
BTW, when the Bruins move on from SweeNeely, I agree they should hire an experienced, knowledgeable, and respected General Manager.
Who, I don't know.
Suggestions welcome.
Concurrently, my pipe dream is that Zdeno would be learning the ropes of management, and climbing them.
Demonstrated acumen would then lead to undertaking the role of manager.
Patrice 4 Prez as well. He is at least as qualified a hockey mind as Cam Neely.
Assuming interest from Chara and Bergeron, and an offer from Charlie Jacobs, of course.
Again, a pipe dream.
It would be fascinating to watch it come true.
Where do things stand with Dave Poulin these days? He was once regarded as one of the rising stars in the management world. He is an example of a former player who has paid his dues for a long time and risen through the ranks. I'd like to hear what those who have been following him more closely, recently, have to say about him. He's a VP in Ottawa now. Maybe give him a bump up the ladder in Boston?
In this case it's a coincidence that he used to play for the Bruins, don't care about that as a hiring factor. Doesn't hurt though. He's been out of the organization a long time.
