Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[CerpinTaxt]

I think the argument that culture or having a good room is “overrated” is kind of missing the point. Probably it’s just fatigue from hearing it over and over again and beaten into our brains ad nauseam.

Going to work (even if it is a sport) with a hunch of dickheads in a toxic workplace is not much fun. No matter how good and skilled you are, it’s going to spill over into results sooner than later.

I can buy that having a good room is one part of the equation. Seems as though Frost and Farabee fell into that category. The problem becomes when you are willingly and blindly overlooking ways to improve the team by pointing to a largely unquantifiable thing, as excusing inaction. Or.. by being a complete idiot in eliminating something that you feel is contributing to a toxic culture and underselling that asset or airing dirty laundry. The Flyers organization seems completely inept in navigating this and consistently makes the wrong choice, almost every time.

They can have skilled players that are also good teammates. But they seem stuck in the mindset that only try hard 4th line role players are contributing to having the right culture.

Maybe they should find good locker room guys who are also skilled guys then. Instead of you know, the Johnsons, Seelers, Hathways, Pelletiers, Deslauriers, and the like

Edit:re-read your post and I basically just copied your last little bit there. My B. Carry on

Edit edit:last time they had good teams though you could call it a tumultuous room. Mike richards Jeff Carter dry island. Allegations of dudes sleeping with other dudes wives. I guess Pronger was a stabilizing force once he got here, but yea he was a #1D even at that age. The giroux era teams were up and down but I don't think anyone complained about the room then. Makes me wonder exactly what culture it is the Flyers are looking for.

 

[iceman42]

The giroux era teams were up and down but I don't think anyone complained about the room then. Makes me wonder exactly what culture it is the Flyers are looking for.

Its an excuse for not doing their job. Culture is a buzz word and isn't quantifiable by anything meaningful.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Giroux was a terrible leader though. I know this because the Authentic Fans told me

 

[Winston Wolf]

I think the argument that culture or having a good room is “overrated” is kind of missing the point. Probably it’s just fatigue from hearing it over and over again and beaten into our brains ad nauseam.

Going to work (even if it is a sport) with a hunch of dickheads in a toxic workplace is not much fun. No matter how good and skilled you are, it’s going to spill over into results sooner than later.

I can buy that having a good room is one part of the equation. Seems as though Frost and Farabee fell into that category. The problem becomes when you are willingly and blindly overlooking ways to improve the team by pointing to a largely unquantifiable thing, as excusing inaction. Or.. by being a complete idiot in eliminating something that you feel is contributing to a toxic culture and underselling that asset or airing dirty laundry. The Flyers organization seems completely inept in navigating this and consistently makes the wrong choice, almost every time.

They can have skilled players that are also good teammates. But they seem stuck in the mindset that only try hard 4th line role players are contributing to having the right culture.

I think the issue here is the people in charge are a bunch of dickheads who make it a toxic workplace and they think this is "culture".

 

[ponder719]

Makes me wonder exactly what culture it is the Flyers are looking for.

Veneration of effort over ability, unwavering respect of authority for authority's sake, just stupid enough to not recognize mediocrity for what it is, satisfaction with the status quo.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think the argument that culture or having a good room is “overrated” is kind of missing the point. Probably it’s just fatigue from hearing it over and over again and beaten into our brains ad nauseam.

Going to work (even if it is a sport) with a hunch of dickheads in a toxic workplace is not much fun. No matter how good and skilled you are, it’s going to spill over into results sooner than later.

I can buy that having a good room is one part of the equation. Seems as though Frost and Farabee fell into that category. The problem becomes when you are willingly and blindly overlooking ways to improve the team by pointing to a largely unquantifiable thing, as excusing inaction. Or.. by being a complete idiot in eliminating something that you feel is contributing to a toxic culture and underselling that asset or airing dirty laundry. The Flyers organization seems completely inept in navigating this and consistently makes the wrong choice, almost every time.

They can have skilled players that are also good teammates. But they seem stuck in the mindset that only try hard 4th line role players are contributing to having the right culture.

There is some value in having a good locker room, but unfortunately as you said the Flyers overvalue it to the point it becomes a detriment to the way they build a roster.

Not to mention they think a "good locker room" is one where a complete asshole coach like Torts is the one in charge, which is the complete opposite of building a "fun" atmosphere.

 

[Curufinwe]

I bet the Caps have a terrible locker room. Bad guys all round.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I think the issue here is the people in charge are a bunch of dickheads who make it a toxic workplace and they think this is "culture".

"focus on the negatives"..

maybe that can the #culture clubs slogan above the door...

 

[BernieParent]

Funny how razor-thin the line is between "We have invested in the culture of our team on and off the ice" and "This is just a country club. Doesn't anyone care about winning?"

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Giroux was a terrible leader though. I know this because the Authentic Fans told me

You don’t know you win with leadership with players like D-Lo and Hathaway? That’s culture baby.